What is the most immoral thing on earth?

[chicken]

somehow this argument drifted off...
we are now talking about killing thousands by our "way of life" while i actually wanted to discuss this:

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murder doesn't need to be bad, it can have a good purpose (e.g. killing the one that abused your child, the one who raped you and so on)

thats fighting fire with fire and doesnt solve shit. if you kill anyone else, it makes you no better than the dead guy in front of you.

example: if you kill somebody, then you have to die as well. lets call it "justice". but if somebody has to kill you too, that guy need to die as well, and so on, and so forth... you get the point? erasing the lifes of people doesnt make anything better... its more the opposite part, everything gets worse.

[EverPhoenix]

chicken wrote:

somehow this argument drifted off... we are now talking about killing thousands by our "way of life" while i actually wanted to discuss this: Quote: murder doesn't need to be bad, it can have a good purpose (e.g. killing the one that abused your child, the one who raped you and so on) thats fighting fire with fire and doesnt solve shit. if you kill anyone else, it makes you no better than the dead guy in front of you. example: if you kill somebody, then you have to die as well. lets call it "justice". but if somebody has to kill you too, that guy need to die as well, and so on, and so forth... you get the point? erasing the lifes of people doesnt make anything better... its more the opposite part, everything gets worse.

isnt that also fighting fire with fire? "if you kill somebody, then you have to die as well" is the eye for an eye philosophy. As i think Gandhi said, 'an eye for an eye, making the whole world blind'. although i agree that revenge is indeed motivation, it isnt really the answer. although i dont agree with gandhi's nonviolent noncooperation, i dont think killing someone is the answer.

and this may be my inner sadist speaking, but there are other methods of revenge that are probably more fulfilling than merely killing someone

[chicken]

yes, thats what i said... i was giving an example to what would happen, if killing would be good (or to use other words: if you fight fire with fire)

you just agreed on what i said ^^

[EverPhoenix]

well thats always a good sign. except i honestly did not know what my point was

[Azure Phoenix]

psychokind wrote:

Arashi wrote: we kill animals everyday, don't forget that, if every creature is equal in importance (unless you want to publicly prove your arrogance) then it counts sorry, I don't think any creature is equal. and it's hard for me to accept this statement from anybody eating meat or having pets. doesn't necessarily include you, if you're a vegan and do not own pets and do not buy products made of animals (camera's / mobile phones e.g.) then you're allowed to say that.

oh i don't mean to say we can't hunt them, no, we can hunt them all we like but we kill them for meat and most of it is wasted

and remember, we're not invincible, any animal in great numbers can kill us (for example: rats - look towards our lan d fills etc. there are probably more of them than there are humans although yes they are pretty dim but strange things happen)

[psychokind]

chicken wrote:

somehow this argument drifted off... we are now talking about killing thousands by our "way of life" while i actually wanted to discuss this: Quote: murder doesn't need to be bad, it can have a good purpose (e.g. killing the one that abused your child, the one who raped you and so on) thats fighting fire with fire and doesnt solve shit. if you kill anyone else, it makes you no better than the dead guy in front of you. example: if you kill somebody, then you have to die as well. lets call it "justice". but if somebody has to kill you too, that guy need to die as well, and so on, and so forth... you get the point? erasing the lifes of people doesnt make anything better... its more the opposite part, everything gets worse.

that's hard to discuss, since it mostly is personal preference. the spiral of violence is mainly resulting from cultural problems rather than common murder. there's an insane guy who killed your whole family and you kill him afterwards? nobody will then try to kill you, you ended it.

remember the woman who killed the 5 men in the courtroom who gangraped her in the 90's? the public support was immense, and she didn't even get the full sentence for murder.

If somebody threatens your daughter, and you have a gun in your hand. who would not shoot? and there would be nothing like you yourself having to die because you killed somebody.

[Azure Phoenix]

ask yourself this: would you really pull the trigger? even if you aren't involved in what's going on but you know that the person deserves it?

i don't know about you but i would

reason: they deserve it

bonus: minimal decrease in (criminal) population (every little helps)

[Manibrandr System]

I would shoot to incapacitate, but not to kill.

[chicken]

situations like those are hard to imagine... everything happens really fast and you have to choose quickly while your head is stuffed with emotion, mixed with stress and adrenaline... either you pull the trigger just to do ANYTHING, or you collapse and cry... or you really are strong enough to keep a clear head and act like joan said.. or even try to negotiate

[Azure Phoenix]

btw

psychokind wrote:

child abuse. rape includes at least adults. murder doesn't need to be bad, it can have a good purpose (e.g. killing the one that abused your child, the one who raped you and so on)

i agree with this

[Manibrandr System]

That said, I should also mention that the only situation that would end up with me killing someone would be if that person is about to kill a lot of other innocent people, and killing the aggressor is the only way to stop him.

[chicken]

id rather go for hitting him to unconsciousness before thinking about killing him...

[psychokind]

chicken wrote:

id rather go for hitting him to unconsciousness before thinking about killing him...

nobody is talkin about situations with THAT option^^

[gavdaman88]

I voted rape. Murder is a close call but the thought of someone I know being put through something and having to live with it for the rest of their life just makes me feel so angry...

[Azure Phoenix]

the most immoral thing is being like a most people are today: total A-holes who are incredibly stupid

that is what we are turning into, it's sad... so sad