"Barbaric" Punishments

[psychokind]

Jason Tandro wrote:

By the way, to deflect the upcoming counter-argument from psychokind that I see, by "innocent" I mean people who have no direct conflict with the terrorist, such as civilians. I know we're all guilty of something. (+1 for knowing this guy. I think our friendship has reached a new level. We finish each others insults. You know I'm joking, pyscho!)

haha, I assume this is something good?
you're right, I would have said that in the eyes of the terrorists, they are killing guilty people, and since terrorism can be a legit way of fighting unjustice. it varies from case to case.

I think of torturing information out of sb the same as freedan. it's no use. but I'd say at least verbal torture should be legit in ANY way, even if it means threatening somebody.

death penalty sucks ass, you americans never seem to learn that. "I killed 1 guy, hmm, that's death penalty, so why not kill another 20?"
and you all folks saying we need harsher penalties, who will pay the prisons for all that? do you know how expensive this is?

but it wouldn't be me, if I didn't come up with a solution more brutal than anyone else here unlimited torture for capital crimes. the bereaved of a raped and killed 5 year old girl should be allowed to torture the culprit as long and as evil as they like to. if they can't do it themselves, somebody employed by the state can do it. medical treatment and adrenaline by fee.

on the other hand I'd be less prison and more hard work for criminals. quarries, mines and stuff. less machines, more prison-slaves. both sides would make a profit, since being in hardcore-prisons like they have in the US heighten the likelihood of relapses by 1,000,000 %

[chicken]

rainichan wrote:

chicken wrote: but torturing or even DEATH? nah, no way. think about your karma, guys If they've killed or tortured people, be it men, women, or children, that IS their karma. If someone came in and killed my parents and my dog right now for fun and pleasure and for whatever reason spared me? I'd want to see him put to death after he was caught, either by my own hands or watching it happen. That's their own karma for doing that.

you got it right but at the same time, you got it all wrong.

true, it is THEIR karma. but we (you, me, whoever) has not the "right" to punish anybody for it, karma will do it. maybe not in this life but certainly when you wont see it coming karma's a bitch but it's always fair.

if you butcher children in this life, your kids are very likely to get butchered too... maybe in your next life... or maybe something similar happens to them, but you WILL come to the experience of how it feels.

i hope my point is clearer now

[psychokind]

chicken wrote:

rainichan wrote: chicken wrote: but torturing or even DEATH? nah, no way. think about your karma, guys If they've killed or tortured people, be it men, women, or children, that IS their karma. If someone came in and killed my parents and my dog right now for fun and pleasure and for whatever reason spared me? I'd want to see him put to death after he was caught, either by my own hands or watching it happen. That's their own karma for doing that. you got it right but at the same time, you got it all wrong. true, it is THEIR karma. but we (you, me, whoever) has not the "right" to punish anybody for it, karma will do it. maybe not in this life but certainly when you wont see it coming karma's a bitch but it's always fair. if you butcher children in this life, your kids are very likely to get butchered too... maybe in your next life... or maybe something similar happens to them, but you WILL come to the experience of how it feels. i hope my point is clearer now

tell this the old super-nazis who died in peace, great houses and lots of servants in chile, and they laugh out of their graves

[Freedan]

psychokind wrote:

death penalty sucks ass, you americans never seem to learn that. "I killed 1 guy, hmm, that's death penalty, so why not kill another 20?" and you all folks saying we need harsher penalties, who will pay the prisons for all that? do you know how expensive this is?

If someone was going to kill 20 people, they would do it anyway, whether the death penalty was used or not. The death penalty would keep them from being released to kill another 20.

And keeping people in prison wouldn't cost so much if they weren't provided luxuries they don't deserve. Provide basic necessities instead of frivolous extras.

[chicken]

psychokind wrote:

chicken wrote: rainichan wrote: chicken wrote: but torturing or even DEATH? nah, no way. think about your karma, guys If they've killed or tortured people, be it men, women, or children, that IS their karma. If someone came in and killed my parents and my dog right now for fun and pleasure and for whatever reason spared me? I'd want to see him put to death after he was caught, either by my own hands or watching it happen. That's their own karma for doing that. you got it right but at the same time, you got it all wrong. true, it is THEIR karma. but we (you, me, whoever) has not the "right" to punish anybody for it, karma will do it. maybe not in this life but certainly when you wont see it coming karma's a bitch but it's always fair. if you butcher children in this life, your kids are very likely to get butchered too... maybe in your next life... or maybe something similar happens to them, but you WILL come to the experience of how it feels. i hope my point is clearer now tell this the old super-nazis who died in peace, great houses and lots of servants in chile, and they laugh out of their graves

pft. whatever. im not a missionary who tells the ultimate truth. its just my point of view. if somebody does not think the same, i dont give a shit.

[psychokind]

Freedan wrote:

psychokind wrote: death penalty sucks ass, you americans never seem to learn that. "I killed 1 guy, hmm, that's death penalty, so why not kill another 20?" and you all folks saying we need harsher penalties, who will pay the prisons for all that? do you know how expensive this is? If someone was going to kill 20 people, they would do it anyway, whether the death penalty was used or not. The death penalty would keep them from being released to kill another 20. And keeping people in prison wouldn't cost so much if they weren't provided luxuries they don't deserve. Provide basic necessities instead of frivolous extras.

basic necessities is what corrupts the human mind! if there's a meaning in prisons, then it's that they showed this to us.

@chicken: your point of view is ok, but "relying" on karma isn't that good^^

[Jason Tandro]

RE: Chicken and Raini

Okay to be honest I see both sides as being true here.

On the one hand, the deviant side of me tends to agree with raini, where us victims of terrorism can "do karma's dirty work."

On the other hand, I also agree with chicken's belief that by sinking down to their level we make ourselves just as guilty.

My religious belief of turning the other cheek and my secular "let's kill the bastards" are in an eternal struggle here...

[edit: @psychokind: Of course it's good. We may not see eye-to-eye on the issues, but we know each other rather well. That's a sign of a good friendship, lol!]