Virginia Tech Massacre

[Hammerit]

Besides here in germany we have a general gun ban and still everyone who wants a weapon can get one. There are even criminals using machine guns on bank frauds although those aren't legal in almost whole EU. The easiest way to get weapons is to raid a military depot and steal em, fake or destroy their license numbers ship them to a dealer and no one will most likely ever get to know where those firearms or explosives originated from.

Guns are an important branch of the us as well as the world economy if one bans em it won't disappear, it'll just turn to a black business and the only advantage goes to the producers who have to pay taxes for the guns they sold no longer. A ban no matter on what allways results in a win-win situation for those that make the stuff meant to be banned.

[Muerte]

I think the ease at which pretty much anybody can get a gun in the USA is quite strange though. Here we need licenses and have to adhere to certain things (like needing to go to some thing at least x many times per year or something) and a proper reason to actually get a gun. Not just "I need to defend myself" to me thats just a stupid excuse that just doesn't cut it.

[Axe Kazama]

Jason: I disagree with your idea or allowing guns on campus. I would be in a constant state of fear and paranoia knowing that anyone around me has a possibility to take me out instantly

Raini: I agree with Raini, although I do acknowledge that it was a horrific event. It's just another statistic to me.

Hammerit: Drugs ban, yes I do agree. Drugs I would consider would be controllable by government. They can produce safer products compared to homebrand, they regulate behaviour by more enforcements in major areas and it cuts down black markets and stop petty crimes (people that rob just to get their fix)

Guns on the otherhand, whatever you do with them is a lose-lose situation
If you ban them, one psycho can take out a whole handful of people before he's stopped. Not to mention a blackmarket that follows.
If you allow them, you might as well live in Iran. Little tiffs will potentially turn into shoot outs

Muerte: Getting a firearm legally yes, USA has it easy. Pretty much a loophole in the Constitution rights (or is that the Ammendment, I'm sorry I'm not familiar with America's Laws) that gives them the right to own one

getting a gun ilegally though, a different story

[chicken]

rainichan wrote:

Honestly, the whole thing is old to me now, and while yes, it was tragic and all that, I don't need to see news coverage of people crying their eyes out. People die every day, and they don't get media coverage. :/ I know that sounds awfully cold, but it's true. He went all batshit insane and shot people. Ok that's all fine and good. Honestly, I feel bad for the family/friends, but this whole thing will go on for another half a year about how horrible it was and blah blah blah. Argh.

thats a quite interesting point to mention... if you think about FATE, DESTINY, KARMA and UNIVERSAL EXPERIENCE, this gives you a new point of view:
FATE/DESTINY: it was inevitable/it was how they needed to die
KARMA: because of any actions done in past lifes, it was the only possible ending of one of their lifes.
EXPERIENCE: the souls needed the experience how it feels to get shot or to shoot people (or the guy who went insane obviously missed the point of "how to deal with the feeling of getting left by a beloved")

(for those who dont know what i mean with the "experience" thing: i believe that your body contains something like a "soul" [i called it "soul" cause it makes everything easier even if its not a soul, but anyway] and that this soul need to make different experiences to learn the full potential of what there is to learn but this takes a whole bunch of lifes as every possible creature there is on earth... so there is an experience for everything: dying in different ways, hurt yourself in different ways, get born in different ways, bla bla... i think you get the point...)

[inferiare]

Flamez: Banning guns won't do anything. Criminals will obtain them illegally, and it's my second amendment right to take someone out on my own property if they pose a threat to me with a firearm. Gun control =/= the answer.

Axe: It's not a loophole.

Second Amendment of the US Constitution wrote:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Jason Tandro]

You know there is actually less violent crime in Texas for two reasons: The Death Penalty (not Vincent's kikas gun) and the right of citizens to have concealed weapons.

So Axe: I agree with your mindset in principle, but in practice if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

[Hammerit]

Muerte wrote:

and a proper reason to actually get a gun.

Hm my reason would be:

Because I just love guns . If they were leagal in Germany I would pack my mantle with 2 Desert Eagles concealed on each side and would place dozens of firearms all over the walls of my rooms . The ones I like most are sniper rifles and stationary machine guns ... dun like submachine guns or most one-hand guns though, but desert eagle roxx ...

[Muerte]

Jason Tandro wrote:

You know there is actually less violent crime in Texas for two reasons: The Death Penalty (not Vincent's kikas gun) and the right of citizens to have concealed weapons. So Axe: I agree with your mindset in principle, but in practice if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

The police force will still have guns to control outlaws anyway. Besides, its not as if you will be able to defend yourself any better if you have a gun ... if somebody is holding a gun to your face in a dark alley demanding your money, you wouldn't reach for a gun any quicker than you'd reach for a concealed knife (also illegal here, pretty much having any weapon(super DOUBLE bracketing! concealed or no) here is, don't know about US, disturbence of the peace and whatnot) because by the time you actually get it the guy has realised what you're doing and shoots you in the eye. The problem is the blackmarket, banning guns would stop a lot of stupid emo teens from going around and shooting everyone who doesn't understand them.

Sure I think guns have their uses, but I don't think allowing people to carry concealed weapons is an answer ... its like taking anti depressents because you think one day you may need it, a very stupid and irresponsible practice. Perhaps thats why so many from US I've heard are arrogant and aggressive? Compared to us Aussies anyway, we tend to be more laid back. Hell, even at the airport there at NY some guy hopped the que in front of us, my uncle started ranting and going off saying we should do something about it. We just shrugged it off and said "who cares?", he really didn't understand that.

Axe: Yeah I know, you can pretty much walk down to you local Target (or Kmart, or whatever) and pick up something there and people wont even bat an eye.

Raini: Take someone out in your own property? Jeeez, bit extreme? IIRC most we can do here is eject them, and use equal force (if they start punching you can punch but not kick, etc etc, if you believe they're going to kill you then you have the ability to kill them, but thats still generally considered extreme) though I'm sure Axe can correct me if I'm wrong on that one.

Jason: I think really the death penalty is quite stupid, and not put anybody off anything. I certainly knew if I did something and got the death penalty instead of life in jail I would die a happy man. Perhaps I'm just weird, but I think its more of an easy way out more than anything else, if you're going to end somebodies life for something they've done you may as well drag it out and make it as bad as you possibly can (Jail, torture, whatever floats your boat)

Hammerit: Yeah ... I don't think that reason would quite work so well.

[Manibrandr System]

Which is why you always keep your hands in your pocket, sure it would ruin your jacket, but the fucker will go down.

[SoulBlazerFan]

The worst part of it? He killed this girl he was stalking, and the RA... and spent two hours creating a mail package to send to NBC, with 27 video clips and various pictures of himself posing with his guns and ammo. During the two hours, what was done?

-The president of the school issued an email alert to the students, some of whom were in classes at the time.

That was it. They believed it to be a domestic dispute, and thought he'd left, instead of shutting down the school, or putting it on lockdown. If they had, 28 people would be alive.

I do believe there is no reason ordinary people should have access to guns. Sure, for those who hunt, but you use rifles, right? What do you need a 9MM handgun for? Protection? If ordinary people had less access to guns, prehaps Columbine may never have happened (BTW, in this care package the killer sent, he refered to the two shooters at Columbine as "martyrs").

I do agree with everyone, that they blame the games, when they should really look at the home... that's usually where the problem starts.

[Flamez]

Banning guns will do something, and ur stoopid (no offence ) if you think otherwise. Yes hardened crims will still be able to get there uzis, but the average joe that says "hey lets rob a liqure store" is less lickely to get one, also the idiot whos girlfriend just dumped him will have alot harder time aquireing one aswell. Australia has had guns banned for ages (you can have them if you live on farms or use the for sport, but there are tonnes of checks) and as far i i know, we have had no school shootings, and only one shooting of any major impact (some guy started shooting people in the main street of a town in tasmania).

Banning guns wont solve the problem, but it sure will be a big step towards solveing its.

Idiots dont kill people, Idiots with guns do.

btw - if anyone did need shooting its our good friend jack http://xbox360.qj.net/Jack-Thompson-links-Virginia-Tech-shooting-to-videogames/pg/49/aid/89634

[inferiare]

Flamez wrote:

Banning guns will do something, and ur stoopid (no offence ) if you think otherwise. Yes hardened crims will still be able to get there uzis, but the average joe that says "hey lets rob a liqure store" is less lickely to get one, also the idiot whos girlfriend just dumped him will have alot harder time aquireing one aswell. Australia has had guns banned for ages (you can have them if you live on farms or use the for sport, but there are tonnes of checks) and as far i i know, we have had no school shootings, and only one shooting of any major impact (some guy started shooting people in the main street of a town in tasmania). Banning guns wont solve the problem, but it sure will be a big step towards solveing its. Idiots dont kill people, Idiots with guns do. btw - if anyone did need shooting its our good friend jack http://xbox360.qj.net/Jack-Thompson-links-Virginia-Tech-shooting-to-videogames/pg/49/aid/89634

Banning guns does nothing for us. That kid got his firearms legally. Of course, if they stopped selling guns and ammo and everything else at places at wal-mart? Fine with me. Guns aren't what kill people, people kill people. It doesn't matter what they use, guns or not, it's not the weapon that does it. (And don't get technical with me saying "But the bullet is what kills people!!" because while yes, it would be, it's actually the person firing the weapon that does the killing.)

And yes, idiots do kill people. They don't have to use guns. :/ They can use their hands to strangle people, or use pillows to smother people. I don't see a call to ban pillows because they can be used to smother people and kill them, and I don't see people lining up to get their hands chopped off because they can strangle people to death or stab people with knives/paper clips or beat people over the head with blunt objects.

[Axe Kazama]

I have to say guns kill people (at least more efficiently)
you think Cho could of taken down 30+ people with a baseball bat in the same scenario?

Banning guns is an option, SBF is right though under what circumstances would ANYONE need a 9mm for? Killing rats?
For women that think they need protection against stalkers, mace or tasers work just as well and if she can't use them under certain situations (attacked from behind) she wouldn't be able to use a gun in the first place.
I find this whole "need it for protection" completely full of BS
Can you name a firearm that can't be used as a weapon?

[inferiare]

Axe Kazama wrote:

I have to say guns kill people (at least more efficiently) you think Cho could of taken down 30+ people with a baseball bat in the same scenario? Banning guns is an option, SBF is right though under what circumstances would ANYONE need a 9mm for? Killing rats? For women that think they need protection against stalkers, mace or tasers work just as well and if she can't use them under certain situations (attacked from behind) she wouldn't be able to use a gun in the first place. I find this whole "need it for protection" completely full of BS Can you name a firearm that can't be used as a weapon?

A toy firearm. Banning guns = going against the rights given to us.

And yeah, he probably could have gone and beat people to death with a baseball bat. Maybe not quite 30 people, but I'm pretty sure if what the media is saying about his grudge against the 'rich kids', he would have gone around beating people's skulls in until he was caught.

[Muerte]

How does one get a gun legally in US? I'm not entirely sure on the laws and regulations there. Either way, yes, people kill people, but guns help the average person a hell of a lot. If it weren't legally so easy to get one then I doubt so much would happen. Even security guards here can't carry guns unless they have the proper licenses, only the police get that ability, and they have to undergo quite a bit of training anyway.