White/ Straight Pride Parades?

[tay120n64]

psychokind wrote:

so you got a gay brother who's in love with a very old man AND a lesbian sister? you're pretty tolerant I guess. hmm... what if I had two good looking lesbian sisters... what would...

Hey, HEY! Don't let your mind wander into dangerous territory, Psycho.

[Jason Tandro]

I'm about the most chill guy you'll ever meet. I just don't have the energy to worry about stupid shit like that. No matter how you live your life won't change how I feel about you, unless you like rape or murder somebody. Being a rude asshole and using the name of your creed to back it tends to piss me off, especially when most homosexuals I've met aren't as violent as my sister. It's a shame how a few bad seeds can ruin a persons opinion of a whole group...

Us Mormons come to mind...

[Mantaray]

I don't feel like reading all the posts here, and I might say something that was all ready said.

On the subject, I will say this. There is no longer such a thing as a pure race. If you think about it, we're all mutts--mixed races. Yeah sure, a lot of us are caucasion/anglo-saxon on the outside, but how do we know our ancesters weren't mixed with another "race"? Just like a lot of black people look a little more asian because of their eyes, or mexicans who actually look way more native-american with the shape of their faces. And who knows what ancient races their ancesters were mixed with, without the descrimination from way back then. The human race has only been around for about 150,000 years, give or take a few centuries, so really, how do we know what "race" we really are under our skin color and recent biological history? <-[edit- okay younger sora-mage, the ignorance can stop now ._. as with the rest of the comment.

As for sexuality, who cares? If you're hetero, yay. Just don't give birth to a billion kids at once (yeah, people are still going on after 10 fricken kids--we're the ones pay the taxes for them to live!! >(). And if you're gay, that's fine too. If some people can't except this, well, then they're just a bunch of weenies.
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a straight pride parade as opposed to gay pride parade..
since our culture tried revolving around straightness forever, a straight pride almost wouldn't make sense. gay pride parades don't exist to really 'change' people, it spreads the awareness on the orientation and gives courage to other gay people.

white pride, black pride.. gonna go with what was said earlier in the thread. don't be like silly younger me, 2 kewl too reed >_>

[Jason Tandro]

sora-mage wrote:

As for sexuality, who cares? If you're hetero, yay. Just don't give birth to a billion kids at once (yeah, people are still going on after 10 fricken kids--we're the ones pay the taxes for them to live!! >().

At risk of going off-topic I would like to address that issue. Zero Population Growth is an offensive concept to me. Forcing people to limit how many lives we can bring into this world is as repugnant to me as forced abortions. And your tax dollars go to a lot more than people who have large families (such as my mid-sized family of 5 kids), and have you ever considered how much more money these parents are chucking into the economy by having so many kids? Feeding (as you say) 10 mouths is hard enough, but you also have clothes, school supplies, vaccinations, extra utility usage, toys, the latest video games if your kids are spoiled rotten.

Point is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a large family as long as you can support them yourself with little outside assistance (family and church support don't count. I'm talking welfare here.)

Now getting back on topic, I think I should say this:

There is no innate pride in any race, creed or orientation. I think all these pride marches should be abolished. We should have a "Human" pride parade. Where homo and hetero, black and white, Christian and Muslim and so forth march together and are proud of the fact that we're all human.

[Freedan]

Jason Tandro wrote:

There is no innate pride in any race, creed or orientation. I think all these pride marches should be abolished. We should have a "Human" pride parade. Where homo and hetero, black and white, Christian and Muslim and so forth march together and are proud of the fact that we're all human.

That's the best idea I've heard as far as pride parades and celebrations go. If only everyone were capable of understanding that.

Edit: Fixed quote tags.

[inferiare]

Freedan, the Dark Knight wrote:

Jason Tandro wrote: There is no innate pride in any race, creed or orientation. I think all these pride marches should be abolished. We should have a "Human" pride parade. Where homo and hetero, black and white, Christian and Muslim and so forth march together and are proud of the fact that we're all human. That's the best idea I've heard as far as pride parades and celebrations go. If only everyone were capable of understanding that.

The problem with trying to even THINK of that (despite the obvious) is that there would be the problem of those who are intolerant of the other side. The one true race/one true religion thing would break the entire thing, I think, coupled with the fact that both sides (the majority, at least) are constantly flinging mud at each other. Bring in the fact that, for as tolerant of sexuality/religion/race that people claim we should have, the hypocrisy of that statement is ALWAYS there. Homosexuals want the Christians (and others who don't believe it's a good thing) to tolerate them, but then they go and slander and attack (physically and verbally) those who were for things such as Prop 8 in California (and yes, those who were for Prop 8 in California, and had their peaceful sign-holding days on major roads were in fact physically attacked by either the homosexuals themselves, or people who are bi/straight and against Prop 8. Hypocritical, much?)

As awesome as an idea that would be, it could never happen, despite the obvious good it would do.

[Jason Tandro]

rainichan wrote:

The one true race/one true religion thing would break the entire thing,

Well, let's go there. Mormons believe that while every religion has a little spark of truth to it, we are the "one true faith". Doesn't mean we go hate-mongering on people of other opinions, despite the fact that we believe in protecting marriage as we see it. The problem is people are failing to see the difference between dissaproving a person's actions or lifestyle (choices that are made) and dissaproving of the person.

Similarly it seems that people don't realize that a person can disagree with somebody without being bigoted about it and condemning all who believe a certain way. There is a stigma about that which I find quite unnerving.

And incidentally, I do believe that homosexuality and heterosexuality insomuch as they pertain to the acts of homo and hetero sex are CHOICES. I DON'T believe that you can choose attractions. These are engrained by environmental factors and so forth. But you are always capable of choosing action and despite what people think we do not need sex.

As a biological imperative, sure, but in that regard only hetero sex can actually result in a child. Even with artificial insemination, it's always gonna be male sperm + female egg = baby.

Now does this mean I think we should outlaw homosexuality? Of course not! While I may not approve, these people have the right to do as they wish without me interfering, but don't go saying "I can't choose it. It's how I am naturally. I was born this way."

Sorry, but it is my firm believe that straight is God's default and THEN environmental factors may change what you are attracted to. And if you wanna go have sex with a person of the same sex then do it! Just accept the fact that when you choose to have sex with this person, you are still making a choice, as much as if I were to choose to have sex with a woman.

[EverPhoenix]

Jason Tandro wrote:

Point is, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a large family as long as you can support them yourself with little outside assistance (family and church support don't count. I'm talking welfare here.)

im going to have to risk derailing this again...


i think that is exactly the issue. what i think sora was talking about was those who insist on, as you put it, "bringing lives into this world" - which im by no means against, im just bringing up a point - and cannot provide for them.

im also going to have to not entirely conform to the rules you laid out by not quoting a source, but if people didnt have more kids than they could handle (financially), i would guess that there would be less people on the street, slightly less petty theft (this one is going a bit far, ill admit), and less tax-payer dollars needed to provide humane treatment to those whose families cant.

in summary: i would say i agree with both points, but feel that i needed to make a few adjustments.


back on-topic,

Jason Tandro wrote:

There is no innate pride in any race, creed or orientation. I think all these pride marches should be abolished. We should have a "Human" pride parade. Where homo and hetero, black and white, Christian and Muslim and so forth march together and are proud of the fact that we're all human.

as good an idea as it is in theory, i think this would only serve the purpose of creating the illusion of global unity. as great as it would be, is probably impossible due to the nature of the human mind.

after all, if everyone agrees on something, why would there be a need to broadcast it?

[Jason Tandro]

EverPhoenix wrote:

im also going to have to not entirely conform to the rules you laid out by not quoting a source, but if people didnt have more kids than they could handle (financially), i would guess that there would be less people on the street, slightly less petty theft (this one is going a bit far, ill admit), and less tax-payer dollars needed to provide humane treatment to those whose families cant. in summary: i would say i agree with both points, but feel that i needed to make a few adjustments.

Well first off, raini, boxxleman and eFlare are the only people with the power to moderate this forum. My suggestions were just that, suggestions.

Secondly I've never argued that people should recieve government help because they made the poor decision to create a child they are unable to support, but I think ZPG is a faulty argument. If we had to get rid of all the accidents and orphans of the world, along with being a pretty bleak place to live you'd have to wonder at the morality of a government that could be so heartless.

That's what Family Planning should be about, but instead the term has become tantamount to Abortion, which is an unfair generalization.

Now before this gets anymore off track I feel we should create a thread for this discussion and I intend to do that.

[Edit: Continue this discussion here. ]

[psychokind]

hm... human pride parade... why do that? celebrating we're the most aggressive and destructive animal on the planet?

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Yeah sure, a lot of us are caucasion/anglo-saxon on the outside, but how do we know our ancesters weren't mixed with another "race"?

genealogic research. my mother's family is "pure" since around the year 1400, my fathers family since about 1650. that's as far as there are recordings. and it's hardly unlikely that there were mix-ups before^^

[Jason Tandro]

Off-Topic: At this exact moment I am at exactly 5,000 Gems. And I am about break the beauty... so I wish to savor the moment... okay enough of that.

Well Mr. Geneaology, you may have met your match, because us Mormons are pretty serious about our family history. Did you know that everyone on the planet is related within 40 or so generations? Everyone in Europe is related within I think 32 generations. My source is this article amongst other genealogical studies that I've come across in my family history studies.

Essentially we're all the same. Purity of race is a bold-faced lie because we're simply too similar and too different in the same respect.

[inferiare]

Jason Tandro wrote:

Off-Topic: At this exact moment I am at exactly 5,000 Gems. And I am about break the beauty... so I wish to savor the moment... okay enough of that. Well Mr. Geneaology, you may have met your match, because us Mormons are pretty serious about our family history. Did you know that everyone on the planet is related within 40 or so generations? Everyone in Europe is related within I think 32 generations. My source is this article amongst other genealogical studies that I've come across in my family history studies. Essentially we're all the same. Purity of race is a bold-faced lie because we're simply too similar and too different in the same respect.

Sorry to say, we're ALL related if you believe the story about Adam and Eve. Incest is best, essentially, and Adam and Eve = everyone's distant relatives. Therefore, we're all related by THAT. /lighthearted humor

[psychokind]

rainichan wrote:

Jason Tandro wrote: Off-Topic: At this exact moment I am at exactly 5,000 Gems. And I am about break the beauty... so I wish to savor the moment... okay enough of that. Well Mr. Geneaology, you may have met your match, because us Mormons are pretty serious about our family history. Did you know that everyone on the planet is related within 40 or so generations? Everyone in Europe is related within I think 32 generations. My source is this article amongst other genealogical studies that I've come across in my family history studies. Essentially we're all the same. Purity of race is a bold-faced lie because we're simply too similar and too different in the same respect. Sorry to say, we're ALL related if you believe the story about Adam and Eve. Incest is best, essentially, and Adam and Eve = everyone's distant relatives. Therefore, we're all related by THAT. /lighthearted humor

it's not THAT wrong, if you think of the homo sapiens that came from africa which we whites and blacks descend from

@jason: yeah, that's pretty likely. especially if you think of the amount of population we germans had after the Thirty Years' War, it won't need 32 generations.

so that would mean there is no such thing as "purity" in a race. but since there is so much genetic mutation I think you're losing the bonds to such extremely far ancestors pretty fast. that's why we are so fucking different, thank god

[Jason Tandro]

rainichan wrote:

Jason Tandro wrote: Off-Topic: At this exact moment I am at exactly 5,000 Gems. And I am about break the beauty... so I wish to savor the moment... okay enough of that. Well Mr. Geneaology, you may have met your match, because us Mormons are pretty serious about our family history. Did you know that everyone on the planet is related within 40 or so generations? Everyone in Europe is related within I think 32 generations. My source is this article amongst other genealogical studies that I've come across in my family history studies. Essentially we're all the same. Purity of race is a bold-faced lie because we're simply too similar and too different in the same respect. Sorry to say, we're ALL related if you believe the story about Adam and Eve. Incest is best, essentially, and Adam and Eve = everyone's distant relatives. Therefore, we're all related by THAT. /lighthearted humor

As a matter of fact I do believe the "story about Adam and Eve" but I believe that there is more to it than that. Not saying I know what that is, but simply saying that I think God deliberately kept some things out of our reach. Anyways best not to get off topic and steer in the direction of religion, which I have been vehemently trying to avoid.

[chicken]

psychokind wrote:

two Turkish in a train: "hey, guess what? we're over 6 million turks now in germany, we can almost take over!" old women in the seat behind them: "you think so young ones? we once had over 6 million jews in germany "

OMFG THAT IS SO GOOD what an old lady