How do you want to die?

[inferiare]

Well damn. Didn't expect to get this into a debate.

I can agree with Joan though: the Koran (Qu'ran, whatever translation you'd like to use) contradicts itself. Those who do not follow Muhammad are infidels who need to die because at that point it is TOTAL JIHAD UPON THOSE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO NOT BE ISLAMIC.

...but their own religious text (which, I should still have my world religions book somewhere to back this up) it says to NOT use Jihad to harm other people. Jihad is supposed to be only for a "higher war" than a vicious bloodbath where people really die.

I mean, my own religious text has contradictions up the ass, but none are as extreme as KILL THOSE WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THE ALL GREAT AND POWERFUL MUHAMMAD AND HIS PROPHECIES BECAUSE THEY'RE HORRIBLE PEOPLE.

Sharia law can also suck it. The extremists are trying to get their hold on the laws of other countries to shove Sharia law into effect there so they can adequately get rid of those horrible horrible infidels.

I know not all Islamic followers are this extreme (there's always those who are chill and "...yeah ok, stfu now and stop making us look BATSHIT INSANE NOW thank you" as there are in any other religion), but a good chunk are. I mean hell, no religion is exempt from humorous prodding, why should they be exempt too? Their display of WE KILL YOU NOW after a "...lol Muslims" joke or something is... really silly. I can grin and roll my eyes at "...lol Christians" jokes with no problem, I am not exempt from it. I'm not going to make an exception to some jabs if I'm not exempt.

tl;dr version: not all Muslims are batshit insane, but a lot are and they need to sit down, stfu, and drink their goddamn tea and get over themselves.

On topic: lmao YETI.

Off topic: moving this to Debate Island.

[Manibrandr System]

@Jason Tandro

He, or anyone else who started the religion does share responsibility for giving birth to an idea that had lead to the Islamic terrorism we see today. Even if that wasn't the intent of the authors, the words it spoke is something I can never, ever respect. Nobody is saying that he is directly responsible for those actions. However, the people's moral upbringing does not come out of a vaccum, you know? FWIW, I do also think that parents are partially responsible for the actions of their children, and I do think that because most of the children's upbringing, especially from the first 6 years of their lives, come from the teachings and behaviour of their parents.

Oh and BTW, you haven't qualified your assertion that Muhammed deserves respect. I'd like to know why you think so.

Really though, I am condemning the religion as an idea, the extremeists who follow that religion to the point of killing any non-believers and most of everyone else who also follow that religion for their damning silence on the matter. I don't think we can afford to be indifferent to the matter.

[Jason Tandro]

Valerie Valens wrote:

@Jason Tandro He, or anyone else who started the religion does share responsibility for giving birth to an idea that had lead to the Islamic terrorism we see today. Even if that wasn't the intent of the authors, the words it spoke is something I can never, ever respect. Nobody is saying that he is directly responsible for those actions. However, the people's moral upbringing does not come out of a vaccum, you know? FWIW, I do also think that parents are partially responsible for the actions of their children, and I do think that because most of the children's upbringing, especially from the first 6 years of their lives, come from the teachings and behaviour of their parents. Oh and BTW, you haven't qualified your assertion that Muhammed deserves respect. I'd like to know why you think so. Really though, I am condemning the religion as an idea, the extremeists who follow that religion to the point of killing any non-believers and most of everyone else who also follow that religion for their damning silence on the matter. I don't think we can afford to be indifferent to the matter.

Then you should personally be held accountable for every extreme left-winger and all the highly reputable things they've done... such as chucking stones and flinging paint at my places of worship.

[Manibrandr System]

...and I will take responsibility by speaking out against those actions when it is brought to my attention, and explaining why it is unwise.

Really though, you're using a pedestrian example to try to compare the comparatively trivial vandalism of the extreme left-wingers, to the blood thirsty and barbaric retaliation the extreme Muslims did against their critics. If you must know, I am more of a centrist-inclined libertarian socialist than a pure-left winger.

[Jason Tandro]

Valerie Valens wrote:

...and I will take responsibility by speaking out against those actions when it is brought to my attention, and explaining why it is unwise. Really though, you're using a pedestrian example to try to compare the comparatively trivial vandalism of the extreme left-wingers, to the blood thirsty and barbaric retaliation the extreme Muslims did against their critics. If you must know, I am more of a centrist-inclined libertarian socialist than a pure-left winger.

Well, fair enough, but I believe my argument stands on its own. Besides Muhammed cannot defend himself or call his extremist followers stupid because he's dead. That kind of puts an imperative on the followers ability to hear his words, regardless of what their religion tells them.

The idea being that you decry religion as an entire concept as because of the acts of less than 1% of the religious community. That statistic may or may not be larger amongst Muslims, but I think it is silly.

Again, extreme viewpoints of any kind (religious or political) are called extreme for a reason. They do not represent the whole. They are the outliers. The exceptions to the rule.

[psychokind]

Jason Tandro wrote:

The idea being that you decry religion as an entire concept as because of the acts of less than 1% of the religious community. That statistic may or may not be larger amongst Muslims, but I think it is silly.

humans tend to think this way though.

no believe is bad, every individual is responsible for his own actions. it's just that religion is one of the best pretenses for violence and "abuse" of power. nothing less, nothing more. the Koran is neither worse nor better than the bible, the tora, or the holy book of xenu.

[Manibrandr System]

Jason Tandro wrote:

The idea being that you decry religion as an entire concept as because of the acts of less than 1% of the religious community. That statistic may or may not be larger amongst Muslims, but I think it is silly.

It's actually more than just that, this is just one very sore facet of why I decry religion.

[Flamez]

Im personally getting fed with Mulsims. They have the most backwards religion in the world. Islam represents the exact opposite to western ideals, the worst part of the religion being shiite law (aka shit law). Western nations have been striving for equal rights for all groups for along time now (and yes there is still a ways to go), while shiite law itself is all about oppression.etc

Now, I would not have a problem with Islam, if it wasn't for two things. One, they come to western countries, but do not try to adapt. They continue on living like they never left their own country. Two, things like this

http://sheikyermami.com/2010/04/27/australia-checking-its-tax-laws-to-ensure-they-don%E2%80%99t-offend-the-koran%E2%80%A6/comment-page-1/.

Would a Muslim nation change their laws to accommodate the beliefs of the west? I think not, so why should we?

[Miss Prime Blue]

Ignoring the drama above, I shall add my reply:

I want to be frozen in liquid nitrogen, and smashed with a hammer. Then my family can keep me in a nice tupperware container.