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Have you ever been a victim of cyberbullying?
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PostMiss Prime Blue Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:10 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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4channers bully people. Yes, as ridiculous as the OMG YELLOW VAN EXPLODING video is, it's true to an extent. People who claim to be part of Anonymous do it too: spam facebook/mysoace/wtfever accounts, hack into them, plaster gay porn on their walls, tell their friends and family that they're gay and in the closet (when the person they're bullying really IS in the closet and waiting for the right time to tell their families), etc.

Not bullying and easy to ignore? Definitely bullying and making people commit suicide over it.


Hm. I've never been to 4chan, and I don't think I want to.

But, I guess -- I mean the anonymity of the internet does make it easier for people who are already probably bored/shitty people bother others, because it's so much easier. That's one of the things, among many, that I really hate about the internet.

But when it gets to a serious extent like what you've mentioned, I think it's pretty much impossible to ignore, I agree.
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PostManibrandr System Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:23 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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I personally think that the problem is the inverse, because everywhere I go, I see hugbox mentalities spring about with inexperienced and incompetent people insulating themselves from all criticism and drive to improve, complacent in where they are now. They will grow up with a complete sense of disrespect for virtues like freedom of speech, and they will grow to embrace the block as a censoring cudgel tool to remove all unwanted messages from their hugboxes. This is not the kind of mentality you would want to cultivate into future generations. People need to learn to grow a thicker skin when going online.

I deny the legitimacy of the so-called cyber-bullying as a problem, and I have no sympathy for anyone over 18 who does take their lives over things said over the net. The reason is simple ; It's very easy to block unsolicited messages, almost too easy even. Even if there isn't a way to block out unwanted contact, ignoring them on the internet is very very easy, much more so than the kind of unwanted contacts you have to deal with on a daily basis IRL. As for those under 18, I would blame their parents for negligence, because any responsible parent should be charged with the task of supervising their child whenever they go online.

So I am totally against the idea of introducing anti-"cyber bullying" laws, because knowing the corrupt nature of politicians, this law can very very easily be stretched to include ALL objectionable content, and even to censor speech that is subversive to the status quo of a special interest group.
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Postpsychokind Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:51 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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The reason is simple ; It's very easy to block unsolicited messages, almost too easy even. Even if there isn't a way to block out unwanted contact, ignoring them on the internet is very very easy, much more so than the kind of unwanted contacts you have to deal with on a daily basis IRL. As for those under 18, I would blame their parents for negligence, because any responsible parent should be charged with the task of supervising their child whenever they go online.


try to block/deny a hacked fb account with professionally photoshopped pictures of your naked self sent to your parents, friends and family Very Happy I think cyberbullying takes bullying to a whole new level. imagine private hate-groups on facebook where people can contact themselves with bad news about their victim at any time without anyone being able to interfer. they can track you, or organise spontaneous bully-events.

I wouldn't underestimate cyberbullying. in the hands of skilled and intelligent people it can be a powerful tool. but...

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So I am totally against the idea of introducing anti-"cyber bullying" laws, because knowing the corrupt nature of politicians, this law can very very easily be stretched to include ALL objectionable content, and even to censor speech that is subversive to the status quo of a special interest group.


I'm totally agreeing. this would go totally wrong.
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Postinferiare Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:07 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's a difference between concrit in the form of "hey this is good but you need to work on x" as opposed to "you f'ing suck" and belittlement. I can agree with growing thicker skin to a degree; some people use the internet to get away from the irl bullying and then it continues on through what they perceive as a safe place. If they've grown up in an abusive home, again, it might be perceived as a safe place. It's not when they're getting the same abusive treatment they're trying to escape.

I will also agree that parents need to actually parent their children and not let the internet babysit their kids. If they did that we'd have a lot less kids with bad attitudes. However, again the facebook slander at a younger age isn't good for them either.
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PostManibrandr System Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:01 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Valerie Valens wrote:
The reason is simple ; It's very easy to block unsolicited messages, almost too easy even. Even if there isn't a way to block out unwanted contact, ignoring them on the internet is very very easy, much more so than the kind of unwanted contacts you have to deal with on a daily basis IRL. As for those under 18, I would blame their parents for negligence, because any responsible parent should be charged with the task of supervising their child whenever they go online.


try to block/deny a hacked fb account with professionally photoshopped pictures of your naked self sent to your parents, friends and family Very Happy I think cyberbullying takes bullying to a whole new level. imagine private hate-groups on facebook where people can contact themselves with bad news about their victim at any time without anyone being able to interfer. they can track you, or organise spontaneous bully-events.

I wouldn't underestimate cyberbullying. in the hands of skilled and intelligent people it can be a powerful tool. but...


Now see, this is where parental supervision could have stopped it dead in its tracks. And if the person concerned is over 18, they should know that any worthwhile friends would believe their word over any malicious Photoshop. Also, if you want to avoid shit like this from happening, and if you're smart, you wouldn't use Facebook because of how much of your personal privacy it breaches.

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There's a difference between concrit in the form of "hey this is good but you need to work on x" as opposed to "you f'ing suck" and belittlement. I can agree with growing thicker skin to a degree; some people use the internet to get away from the irl bullying and then it continues on through what they perceive as a safe place. If they've grown up in an abusive home, again, it might be perceived as a safe place. It's not when they're getting the same abusive treatment they're trying to escape.


The problem is that commentary online is almost never as black and white as described. There will always be at least a little bit of both constructive and "you suck" sentiments in any messages.
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PostBlade Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:33 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Val: I get your point, but it implies that parents and underaged kids who use the internet have a strong will, selfesteem and an above-average self-awareness. Characteristics that are highly favourable, but simply not given with -everyone-, and especially those who lack it, are easy prey for bullying of any sort.

I was bullied at school. I told my mom. At first she gave me some fuck-all usefull liberal advices (in Kindergarten). Of course telling my bullies "find someone else to fight" didn't help, and that was when I lost trust in her protection.

Of course someone with a strong will, usefull advices and experience on that matter interfering would've been a HUGE help, but (speaking of cyber-bullying) saying it shouldn't/doesn't exist because external hindsight shows clear ways to avoid it...
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PostLollipopChainsaw Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:36 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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I found a really good article that makes good points on how cyberbullying can be WORSE than traditional bullying. Ignoring it is easier said than done.

http://www.techlearning.com/article/7284

Here are some good passages...

But the Internet has changed that, as it has changed so much else. Now there is "Cyber Bullying," and although it is less physical than traditional forms of bullying, it can have more devastating and longer-lasting effects. It is rapidly becoming a major problem. Now, a small physically weak child can be as much of a bully as the big brute but with more impact. Educators definitely need to understand how powerful and dangerous this new type of bullying has become as it has greatly impacted the classroom.

The long-term impact of cyber bullying is greater than with traditional bullying. Digital images, cell phones, and other electronic means can greatly increase the speed in which the bully's messages can spread. Strom and Strom write, "Harmful messages intended to undermine the reputation of a victim can be far more damaging than face-to-face altercations. Instead of remaining a private matter or event known by only a small group, text or photographs can be communicated to a large audience in a short time" (Strom & Strom, 2005).

Perhaps the greatest long-term effect is the loss of the home as a safe-zone. Traditional bullying usually ended when a person was home, safe with their family. Cyber bullying enters into the home and is with the students at all times (Strom & Strom, 2005). As Greg Toppo writes, "Vulnerable children have virtually no refuge from harassment. It's a non-stop type of harassment and it crates a sense of helplessness." (Toppo, 2006) Bullies use this additional terror to traumatize their victims even more.
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Postinferiare Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:01 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Valerie Valens wrote:
The problem is that commentary online is almost never as black and white as described. There will always be at least a little bit of both constructive and "you suck" sentiments in any messages.


Saying "here are your weaknesses but here are your strengths" can be said in a harsh way or a nice way. It's not black and white, it's simple politeness. You don't need to say things harshly for it to get across.
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PostManibrandr System Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:19 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Gloomy Gurl : Speaking as someone who has had to deal with an emotionally abusive parent for as long as I remember, I find the credibility of that article to be quite suspect. Like I said, parents should always remain vigilant against any form of abuse that might be heaped onto their kids.

@inferiare : Sometimes, you have to word it like a brick to the face for the message to get across. I am pretty sure you've had stubborn friends before. Razz
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Postpsychokind Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:10 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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The reason is simple ; It's very easy to block unsolicited messages, almost too easy even. Even if there isn't a way to block out unwanted contact, ignoring them on the internet is very very easy, much more so than the kind of unwanted contacts you have to deal with on a daily basis IRL. As for those under 18, I would blame their parents for negligence, because any responsible parent should be charged with the task of supervising their child whenever they go online.


try to block/deny a hacked fb account with professionally photoshopped pictures of your naked self sent to your parents, friends and family Very Happy I think cyberbullying takes bullying to a whole new level. imagine private hate-groups on facebook where people can contact themselves with bad news about their victim at any time without anyone being able to interfer. they can track you, or organise spontaneous bully-events.

I wouldn't underestimate cyberbullying. in the hands of skilled and intelligent people it can be a powerful tool. but...


Now see, this is where parental supervision could have stopped it dead in its tracks. And if the person concerned is over 18, they should know that any worthwhile friends would believe their word over any malicious Photoshop. Also, if you want to avoid shit like this from happening, and if you're smart, you wouldn't use Facebook because of how much of your personal privacy it breaches.



implying that parents have any idea about internet and computers - where I live they don't. they don't know facebook or privacy, some not even email. (and thank god for that Very Happy )
and if the person concerned is over 18, then he's already 6 years in bullying age. not using facebook, well... teens not using facebook these days are the ones that get bullied anyway Laughing

it's as blade stated. the smart ones with worthwile friends and parents helping them are most likely the ones that bully, and not the other way round.
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PostJason Tandro Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:38 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Gloomy Gurl : Speaking as someone who has had to deal with an emotionally abusive parent for as long as I remember, I find the credibility of that article to be quite suspect. Like I said, parents should always remain vigilant against any form of abuse that might be heaped onto their kids.


Valerie, I give you fair warning. Don't trod down that path with GG because you will lose.

And stubborn friends? Um... no, never... that never happens. Shifty Laughing
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PostLollipopChainsaw Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:51 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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@Gloomy Gurl : Speaking as someone who has had to deal with an emotionally abusive parent for as long as I remember, I find the credibility of that article to be quite suspect. Like I said, parents should always remain vigilant against any form of abuse that might be heaped onto their kids.


I lived with an emotionally absent father and his sick twisted girl friend who's goal in life seemed to turn me into a slave.

That article isn't the only one that talks about cyber-bullying being just as bad (if not worse than) traditional bullying. It is a belief shared by many psychologists, not to mention the families of cyber-bullied victims who committed suicide.

I am free of the horrible childhood I had, but for people being bullied online it never ends. Their attackers use text messaging, social sites, photoshop, and more to continuously harass their victims until they feel that there's no way out, no way to make it stop. Even if for some reason the bullies stop with new posts, what they put up on the internet will never truly be gone.

Cyber-bullying often makes it harder (if not impossible) to find out who the bully is. The victim can't know who they can trust and who they can't. If they let someone in they run the risk of their secrets being posted all over the internet. I can't imagine a hell like that.
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PostManibrandr System Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:58 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am not denying that these people who do harassing online are horrible, I am also saying that it is not exactly rocket science being able to deal with bullshit online, and if the internet has become the sole source of escapism for them, then there are much bigger problems to address than bullshit on the internet. You can walk away from online harassment, you can disregard words or pictures much more easily if they are transmitted by a stranger through the internet. In fact, this is much more favourable because indifference is the quickest way to bore an attacker.
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PostFreedan Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:42 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can walk away from online harassment, you can disregard words or pictures much more easily if they are transmitted by a stranger through the internet. In fact, this is much more favourable because indifference is the quickest way to bore an attacker.


It isn't as easy to 'walk away' from online harassment as you're making it out to be.


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Strom and Strom write, "Harmful messages intended to undermine the reputation of a victim can be far more damaging than face-to-face altercations. Instead of remaining a private matter or event known by only a small group, text or photographs can be communicated to a large audience in a short time" (Strom & Strom, 2005).


The bolded part is the problem. Sure, a kid can ignore what some guy says in a forum post, but if that same guy contacts half the kid's class and gets them to start bullying in person, walking away isn't such a simple option.
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Postpsychokind Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:04 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Strom and Strom write, "Harmful messages intended to undermine the reputation of a victim can be far more damaging than face-to-face altercations. Instead of remaining a private matter or event known by only a small group, text or photographs can be communicated to a large audience in a short time" (Strom & Strom, 2005).


The bolded part is the problem. Sure, a kid can ignore what some guy says in a forum post, but if that same guy contacts half the kid's class and gets them to start bullying in person, walking away isn't such a simple option.


that's what I wanted to state earlier, too. cyber-bullying is not sending a person evil messages, it's about reaching his complete social circle in a very easy and quick way.

a non-physical bully is only as good as his ability to get companions. it's not a big problem if there's someone hating you on your school, but it will be if he convinces and rallies a 100 more people. internet makes the communication a lot more efficient.
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