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Have you ever been a victim of cyberbullying?
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PostJason Tandro Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:49 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, I'll give you a for-instance. When Brendan told everybody that I had raped my ex-gf, I was getting death threats via email and phone for about a week. Can't exactly just shake that off.
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Postpsychokind Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:43 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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and imagine what can happen if you just ignore those - he doesn't deny, he's guilty!
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PostFreedan Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:31 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then again, when it comes to rape accusations, it wouldn't matter if he had denied it or not, he would have been seen as guilty.

There's a real double standard that way, where only an accusation (and nothing else) can absolutely drag a man's name through the mud.

But that's a whole other thread. Meh/Worried
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PostJason Tandro Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:52 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Postpsychokind Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:26 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Freedan wrote:

There's a real double standard that way, where only an accusation (and nothing else) can absolutely drag a man's name through the mud.



which is why many women have to go through horrible procedures to prove their rape or are labeled as liars if their rapist is a socially influent man - which makes it pretty even Eek!
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PostSoulBlazerFan Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:57 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've seen this a number of times- girls cry rape, only to recant. A friend of mine is going through this right now- the girls nutso, and has threatened to have him beaten up, stabbed, shot, run over- on more than one occasion.
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PostFreedan Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:43 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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psychokind wrote:
Freedan wrote:

There's a real double standard that way, where only an accusation (and nothing else) can absolutely drag a man's name through the mud.



which is why many women have to go through horrible procedures to prove their rape or are labeled as liars if their rapist is a socially influent man - which makes it pretty even Eek!


It doesn't matter if it's proven or not, once a guy is an accused rapist, the damage is done. All anyone will hear is the word "rapist". And since the guy's name is published in the news, everyone will be aware of it.
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PostFlamez Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:04 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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I should take some notes from here, Ill be teaching a class on cyber bullying next week
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Postpsychokind Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:59 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Flamez wrote:
I should take some notes from here, Ill be teaching a class on cyber bullying next week


ask raini for a link from the case where the guy killed himself, pretty evident
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PostManibrandr System Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:58 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Freedan wrote:
The bolded part is the problem. Sure, a kid can ignore what some guy says in a forum post, but if that same guy contacts half the kid's class and gets them to start bullying in person, walking away isn't such a simple option.


Then it goes beyond bullying, and straight into libel territory, which the perp can very much can be sued for.
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Postpsychokind Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:05 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Valerie Valens wrote:
Freedan wrote:
The bolded part is the problem. Sure, a kid can ignore what some guy says in a forum post, but if that same guy contacts half the kid's class and gets them to start bullying in person, walking away isn't such a simple option.


Then it goes beyond bullying, and straight into libel territory, which the perp can very much can be sued for.


there's a difference between libel and bullying? Laughing

I never got word of a case where somebody was sentenced for libel and did sth that was even nearly as horrible as the bullying classmates had to endure Very Happy you can't sue kids for libel when they're bullying somebody like freedan or I described it.
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PostManibrandr System Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:19 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes there is. Bullying is when banal bullshit being being done like "so and so is a doody head, don't talk to him!" Libel is when you inflict a lifelong social stigma that last deep into adulthood and makes it impossible for the victim to function effectively in the society. The stigma attached to bullying is mild and only lasts during the schooling years, and could be easily dealt with if the parents are vigilant.
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Postpsychokind Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:56 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Valerie Valens wrote:
Yes there is. Bullying is when banal bullshit being being done like "so and so is a doody head, don't talk to him!" Libel is when you inflict a lifelong social stigma that last deep into adulthood and makes it impossible for the victim to function effectively in the society. The stigma attached to bullying is mild and only lasts during the schooling years, and could be easily dealt with if the parents are vigilant.


ok, I didn't know there were such huge differences in definitions of bullying...

when I'm talking about bullying, it's something worse than libel. bullying, or "mobbing" as it is called in germany when including adults, is when children or teenager do things to other children that have huge negative impacts on their daily lifes.
this can be property damage, physical or psychical abuse. it normally results in the victim dropping class or switching schools.

libel is sth far less worse. these are insults or talking behind somebodys back, and it's mostly the case in rivaling businesses or between older people here.

tl;dr: replace every "bully" in the post with "libel" while reading Very Happy
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PostFreedan Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:14 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Libel is just slander in written form. Saying something like:


Valerie Valens wrote:
"so and so is a doody head,


.... isn't bullying, that's libel. A very mild case, obviously, but libel nonetheless.

Valerie, I think you've reversed the definitions of bullying and libel. Bullying is to inflict abuse through threats, intimidation or violence. That's what can truly cause someone to not be able to function in their later years.

Someone encouraging others to bully someone else isn't "going in to libel territory", it's just rounding up more bullies.
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PostJason Tandro Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:34 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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And even IF your definition is correct, it's impossible to sue an anonymous online bully, which is why cyber-bullying is so horrible, you can't even muster a defense against it.

And as I found out last year, it is NOT easy to sue anybody, no matter how obvious the offense. I could have sued my two roommates for bailing on their lease and I had the original contract and everything. The warrant alone costs a huge amount then you have to go to court, attempt to win over the judge and then there's no guarantee they will pay you.

In a criminal case it's even harder.
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