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Jason Tandro Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'll give you a for-instance. When Brendan told everybody that I had raped my ex-gf, I was getting death threats via email and phone for about a week. Can't exactly just shake that off. _________________ Support me on Patreon!
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psychokind Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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and imagine what can happen if you just ignore those - he doesn't deny, he's guilty! _________________
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Freedan Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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Then again, when it comes to rape accusations, it wouldn't matter if he had denied it or not, he would have been seen as guilty.
There's a real double standard that way, where only an accusation (and nothing else) can absolutely drag a man's name through the mud.
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psychokind Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Freedan wrote: |
There's a real double standard that way, where only an accusation (and nothing else) can absolutely drag a man's name through the mud.
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which is why many women have to go through horrible procedures to prove their rape or are labeled as liars if their rapist is a socially influent man - which makes it pretty even ![Eek!](images/smiles/bigeyes.gif) _________________
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SoulBlazerFan Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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I've seen this a number of times- girls cry rape, only to recant. A friend of mine is going through this right now- the girls nutso, and has threatened to have him beaten up, stabbed, shot, run over- on more than one occasion. _________________ "...at first it's fine and you think you have a dark side – it's exciting – and then you realise the dark side wins every time if you decide to indulge in it. It's also a completely different way of living when you know that...a different species of person." - Lana Del Rey
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Freedan Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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psychokind wrote: | Freedan wrote: |
There's a real double standard that way, where only an accusation (and nothing else) can absolutely drag a man's name through the mud.
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which is why many women have to go through horrible procedures to prove their rape or are labeled as liars if their rapist is a socially influent man - which makes it pretty even ![Eek!](images/smiles/bigeyes.gif) |
It doesn't matter if it's proven or not, once a guy is an accused rapist, the damage is done. All anyone will hear is the word "rapist". And since the guy's name is published in the news, everyone will be aware of it. _________________
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Flamez Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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I should take some notes from here, Ill be teaching a class on cyber bullying next week _________________
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psychokind Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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Flamez wrote: | I should take some notes from here, Ill be teaching a class on cyber bullying next week |
ask raini for a link from the case where the guy killed himself, pretty evident _________________
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Manibrandr System Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Freedan wrote: | The bolded part is the problem. Sure, a kid can ignore what some guy says in a forum post, but if that same guy contacts half the kid's class and gets them to start bullying in person, walking away isn't such a simple option. |
Then it goes beyond bullying, and straight into libel territory, which the perp can very much can be sued for. _________________
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psychokind Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Valerie Valens wrote: | Freedan wrote: | The bolded part is the problem. Sure, a kid can ignore what some guy says in a forum post, but if that same guy contacts half the kid's class and gets them to start bullying in person, walking away isn't such a simple option. |
Then it goes beyond bullying, and straight into libel territory, which the perp can very much can be sued for. |
there's a difference between libel and bullying?
I never got word of a case where somebody was sentenced for libel and did sth that was even nearly as horrible as the bullying classmates had to endure you can't sue kids for libel when they're bullying somebody like freedan or I described it. _________________
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Manibrandr System Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Yes there is. Bullying is when banal bullshit being being done like "so and so is a doody head, don't talk to him!" Libel is when you inflict a lifelong social stigma that last deep into adulthood and makes it impossible for the victim to function effectively in the society. The stigma attached to bullying is mild and only lasts during the schooling years, and could be easily dealt with if the parents are vigilant. _________________
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psychokind Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: |
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Valerie Valens wrote: | Yes there is. Bullying is when banal bullshit being being done like "so and so is a doody head, don't talk to him!" Libel is when you inflict a lifelong social stigma that last deep into adulthood and makes it impossible for the victim to function effectively in the society. The stigma attached to bullying is mild and only lasts during the schooling years, and could be easily dealt with if the parents are vigilant. |
ok, I didn't know there were such huge differences in definitions of bullying...
when I'm talking about bullying, it's something worse than libel. bullying, or "mobbing" as it is called in germany when including adults, is when children or teenager do things to other children that have huge negative impacts on their daily lifes.
this can be property damage, physical or psychical abuse. it normally results in the victim dropping class or switching schools.
libel is sth far less worse. these are insults or talking behind somebodys back, and it's mostly the case in rivaling businesses or between older people here.
tl;dr: replace every "bully" in the post with "libel" while reading ![Very Happy](images/smiles/grin.gif) _________________
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Freedan Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Libel is just slander in written form. Saying something like:
Valerie Valens wrote: | "so and so is a doody head, |
.... isn't bullying, that's libel. A very mild case, obviously, but libel nonetheless.
Valerie, I think you've reversed the definitions of bullying and libel. Bullying is to inflict abuse through threats, intimidation or violence. That's what can truly cause someone to not be able to function in their later years.
Someone encouraging others to bully someone else isn't "going in to libel territory", it's just rounding up more bullies. _________________
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Jason Tandro Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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And even IF your definition is correct, it's impossible to sue an anonymous online bully, which is why cyber-bullying is so horrible, you can't even muster a defense against it.
And as I found out last year, it is NOT easy to sue anybody, no matter how obvious the offense. I could have sued my two roommates for bailing on their lease and I had the original contract and everything. The warrant alone costs a huge amount then you have to go to court, attempt to win over the judge and then there's no guarantee they will pay you.
In a criminal case it's even harder. _________________ Support me on Patreon!
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