I Am Out of Patience- Welfare Must End

[Jason Tandro]

There are no regulations...

And anybody
, I MEAN ANYBODY
can be put on it.

These are a handful of the horror stories I have seen and I am sick of it. We need to tell everybody that Welfare will end in two years and I bet you the people on it will find work who are able.

If a person is legitimately disabled, fine, but this is ridiculous.

[EverPhoenix]

As long as there's any kind of system like that, there will always be people trying to abuse it to their own end.

Sad, really.

[Freedan]

Welfare needs to be reformed, not scrapped. A few people abusing a system meant to help the less fortunate is not reason enough to scrap it.

Ending welfare will cause a lot more poverty and homelessness. There'll be a lot more people depending on soup kitchens. It's easy to say "they should find a job" when you already have one yourself.

I'm sure if people could, most would do just that. Most people don't enjoy being given handouts. Welfare isn't a comfortable life with fancy cars and non-stop fun. It's miserable, and frustrating, and you worry about being able to buy food. But if you have a child, no daycare, very little money and little work experience, it's easier said than done to go get a job.

Yes, if welfare didn't exist, your taxes wouldn't go to pay someone abusing the system. But do you think your taxes would actually go down? Or would the government find some other reason to take your money?

Revamp the welfare system. Make sure people can't abuse loopholes to receive assistance when they have millions of dollars. The money you save from those unnecessary recipients can be put towards job training for those who truly do need the help. But forcing everyone off welfare will create a huge poverty issue, and one child starving because the government says "no" is too many.

[Jason Tandro]

I went on a bit of a tirade earlier because of the crap that I watched. With a cooler head, I agree that Welfare is ultimately a force for good, but in general I agree with you, Freedan.

[Flamez]

Seeing as I'm a student on welfare, I may be a tad biased. But I agree pretty much with freedan.

[Fazermint]

Coming from the #1 welfare country of the world, I may be a tad biased. But I agree pretty much with Freedan.

[Jason Tandro]

Side Note: Guys, it's okay to be biased. Despite what people tell you, EVERYBODY is biased in debate. We're all humans. That's what makes debate possible.

[Flamez]

GIVE ME ALL YOUR TAX PAYER MONEY! I NEED TO BUY BOOKS TO WIPE MY ASS WITH!

honestly, a great way to cheapen studernt expenses and then the required ammount needed by the tax payer to support them would be to make books cheaper. Why can I by a novel for less thenm $20, but a text book is $100+, has far less content and is useless outside of the subject?

[Jason Tandro]

Flamez wrote:

GIVE ME ALL YOUR TAX PAYER MONEY! I NEED TO BUY BOOKS TO WIPE MY ASS WITH! honestly, a great way to cheapen studernt expenses and then the required ammount needed by the tax payer to support them would be to make books cheaper. Why can I by a novel for less thenm $20, but a text book is $100+, has far less content and is useless outside of the subject?

ROFLMAO. My friends and I actually did an episode where we talk about Text Books:

Just skip to 4:06

This pretty much sums up our groups whole feeling about text books...

[inferiare]

"I'm having my 5th child so I can get more welfare money" was something my boyfriend heard way too much in Louisiana when he was there for 2 years. Definitely agreeing with Freedan though: close off the loopholes and make people go through bigger and more extensive background checks to make sure they actually qualify and you'll have people not sure what to do with themselves.

[Altgrand]

Interesting topic... My friend works for our welfare office in the city I live in and our state government is considering a simple new requirement for welfare to continue. They want to require a certain number of job or school applications to be reviewed every month to keep your eligibility, and they must be signed off on by the potential employer. And then if you get an part time position and keep it until you become full time, you get a bonus percentage depending on how fast you get off of welfare.

[inferiare]

Now THAT would be ideal. It works like the unemployment here. I know somewhere they were doing drug tests too for welfare.

[Manibrandr System]

The problem with the Welfare system is not the system itself, but everything else that funnels people into the system. Abysmal minimum wages on 72 hour weeks, ridiculously high costs of living, not enough job openings for qualified personnel etc... The list goes on.

If you want to fix the welfare system, you must first fix the socio-economic conditions that drives people to welfare in the first place. Let's be honest here. NOBODY wants to be on welfare. It's a shitty place to be in, but if the alternative is to slave away for 72 hours in a shit dead-end job for a marginal improvement of net income, it's no wonder that many are piling in to the system.

If you're that vexed about paying for them with your taxes, you should then be infinitely more angry at the millitary for spending so goddamn much money on overpriced contractors and getting involved in unnecessary wars, because THAT is what is taking the lion's share of your tax money, and it's cannibalizing socialized programs left and right.

[SoulBlazerFan]

Valerie Valens wrote:

The problem with the Welfare system is not the system itself, but everything else that funnels people into the system. Abysmal minimum wages on 72 hour weeks, ridiculously high costs of living, not enough job openings for qualified personnel etc... The list goes on. If you want to fix the welfare system, you must first fix the socio-economic conditions that drives people to welfare in the first place. Let's be honest here. NOBODY wants to be on welfare. It's a shitty place to be in, but if the alternative is to slave away for 72 hours in a shit dead-end job for a marginal improvement of net income, it's no wonder that many are piling in to the system. If you're that vexed about paying for them with your taxes, you should then be infinitely more angry at the millitary for spending so goddamn much money on overpriced contractors and getting involved in unnecessary wars, because THAT is what is taking the lion's share of your tax money, and it's cannibalizing socialized programs left and right.

I agree with you for the most part... except that there are people who do want to be on welfare. I've meet people with little to no interest in working, have no problem having way too many children that they don't really care for, and would prefer to stay on welfare than having to get an actual job.

Just the other day I saw a guy try to buy liquor with food stamps! They introduced something called SNAP benefits, basically a government funded debit card for low income or welfare families to buy food or essentials with- and I've seen people trying to use their cards to buy cigarettes or booze. There are people who abuse the system, love abusing the system, use their money for selfish reasons as opposed to caring for themselves or their children.

[Manibrandr System]

Or perhaps, and this is more likely, they have given up on themselves. They figured that their situation won't improve no matter how hard they try, so might as well make the most of their shitty situation. If they are given the opportunity to earn a high income doing 9-5, they would jump on it.