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Postpsychokind Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:03 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wouldn't necessarily call Buddhism the other extreme. The other extreme would be an atheist SJW anti-vaxxer. Laughing

The point is I'm ever evolving, or at least that is the hope. As you say, a stagnant life is a boring life.

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PostYet One More Idiot Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:49 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not that the three are related mind, but atheist is the logical extreme opposite of "super religious". Very Happy


Er, hmm....really? I would've said that as opposites to "super religious" go, Agnostic would've been closer to the mark...

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PostJason Tandro Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:56 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not that the three are related mind, but atheist is the logical extreme opposite of "super religious". Very Happy


Er, hmm....really? I would've said that as opposites to "super religious" go, Agnostic would've been closer to the mark...

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Interesting theological discussion. What's your reasoning?

For me it's a simple boolean construct:

if(religion==true){
[tab] switch (faithValue){
[tab][tab] case [1] = religionIdentity = "Agnostic"
[tab][tab] case [2] = religionIdentity = "Spiritual"
[tab][tab] case [3] = religionIdentity = "Christmas & Easter"
[tab][tab] case [4] = religionIdentity = "Religious"
[tab][tab] case [5] = religionIdentity = "Super Religious"
[tab]}
}
else {
[tab] religionIdentity = "Atheist"
}
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PostYet One More Idiot Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:20 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not that the three are related mind, but atheist is the logical extreme opposite of "super religious". Very Happy


Er, hmm....really? I would've said that as opposites to "super religious" go, Agnostic would've been closer to the mark...

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Interesting theological discussion. What's your reasoning?

For me it's a simple boolean construct:

if(religion==true){
[tab] switch (faithValue){
[tab][tab] case [1] = religionIdentity = "Agnostic"
[tab][tab] case [2] = religionIdentity = "Spiritual"
[tab][tab] case [3] = religionIdentity = "Christmas & Easter"
[tab][tab] case [4] = religionIdentity = "Religious"
[tab][tab] case [5] = religionIdentity = "Super Religious"
[tab]}
}
else {
[tab] religionIdentity = "Atheist"
}


Hmm...if I understand right, Jason, you're ranking those statements in order of amount of the amount of belief, right? But I'd still switch the positions of Agnostic and Atheist about, and here's why. Smile

An Agnostic, loosely speaking, isn't sure whether to believe in a god or not; they don't know. The stronger variation of Agnostic is that they would also think it's impossible to know either way.
From Greek "gnostos" = "known" and the prefix "a" = "not".

An atheist, however, *does* specifically believe that there are no gods. Again, from Greek "theos" = "god", and "a" = "not".

Looking at those definitions, the main point seems to me to be that Agnostics are unsure what to believe (or believe that it's impossible to be sure), while Atheists have a strong belief in the absence of any gods.

So that's hwy I say that Atheism is a stronger belief system than Agnosticism. Smile
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PostJason Tandro Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:24 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah so rather than going by GOD VS NO GOD you are going by FOCUSED BELIEF VS NO FOCUSED BELIEF.

Fair reasoning. Interesting way of looking at it. Very Happy
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PostYet One More Idiot Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:10 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah so rather than going by GOD VS NO GOD you are going by FOCUSED BELIEF VS NO FOCUSED BELIEF.

Fair reasoning. Interesting way of looking at it. Very Happy


Yes, basically what I was going for. Smile

Like the opposite of Love; depending on how you interpret "opposite", can be either Hate or Apathy.

...aaaaaaaaaand now we're getting into a philosophical discussion of semantics on a videogame forum. Look at us crazy party people! Razz
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PostJason Tandro Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:27 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah so rather than going by GOD VS NO GOD you are going by FOCUSED BELIEF VS NO FOCUSED BELIEF.

Fair reasoning. Interesting way of looking at it. Very Happy


Yes, basically what I was going for. Smile

Like the opposite of Love; depending on how you interpret "opposite", can be either Hate or Apathy.

...aaaaaaaaaand now we're getting into a philosophical discussion of semantics on a videogame forum. Look at us crazy party people! Razz


You can't contain the funk up in here. Cool
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Postpsychokind Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:19 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yet One More Idiot wrote:
Jason Tandro wrote:
Ah so rather than going by GOD VS NO GOD you are going by FOCUSED BELIEF VS NO FOCUSED BELIEF.

Fair reasoning. Interesting way of looking at it. Very Happy


Yes, basically what I was going for. Smile

Like the opposite of Love; depending on how you interpret "opposite", can be either Hate or Apathy.

...aaaaaaaaaand now we're getting into a philosophical discussion of semantics on a videogame forum. Look at us crazy party people! Razz


You can't contain the funk up in here. Cool


no one ever could Wink
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Postinferiare Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:12 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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There was a term an old pastor of mine used for those who only showed for Christmas and Easter... CEOs. Christmas and Easter Only.

/contributing nothing of value, just silliness.
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PostYet One More Idiot Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 7:12 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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There was a term an old pastor of mine used for those who only showed for Christmas and Easter... CEOs. Christmas and Easter Only.

/contributing nothing of value, just silliness.


That's pretty funny! Smile

I used to be one of those, in my teens our parents used to drag my sister and me to church on Easter Sunday and Christmas Day. Eventually he realised how much we truly didn't care, and stopped forcing us to go.
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Postinferiare Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:53 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, it's one of those where it's... you don't need to be at a church to worship God, i can do that from home should I wish to do so. But there's plenty of those and tbh, those are fairly important days to at least show up for if you believe imo.
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Postpsychokind Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:09 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, it's one of those where it's... you don't need to be at a church to worship God, i can do that from home should I wish to do so. But there's plenty of those and tbh, those are fairly important days to at least show up for if you believe imo.


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I heard an argument that the Church is more for the people than the god. The whole "fellowship" thing. I know some people do get something out of the community, but even when I was a "devout Mormon" I would have much preferred to worship God from the sanctity of my own bed. Especially at 8 AM. Very Happy
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Postpsychokind Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:26 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard an argument that the Church is more for the people than the god. The whole "fellowship" thing. I know some people do get something out of the community, but even when I was a "devout Mormon" I would have much preferred to worship God from the sanctity of my own bed. Especially at 8 AM. Very Happy


i often think to myself that the churches should be seen as a testament of humankinds possibilities if they believe in sth greater than they themselves are.

I go for city trips in Germany once or twice a year, and I visited A LOT of churches. if you think about how long ago and by what means they were build, you almost can't believe it. the hardships that had to be overcome are incredible.
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PostBlade Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:14 am   Post subject: Reply with quote

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sheesh, I just logged in after alooot of time Razz
I see everyone and everything on Facebook and the Terraearth page there, so I feel like I'm not missing out on much on the forums, that's why I'm rarely on the forums... :/
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