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PostEmeth Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:55 pm   Post subject: Philosophical Issues in Terranigma Reply with quote

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I was interested in producing a document that tried to explain some of the more interesting questions in Terranigma. In the following post I detail what I believe are some important questions in the game and my answers to those questions. Hopefully this is an appropriate place to post something of this nature. Feel free to ask any questions or make any comments about what is posted as long as the comments have a sound basis in logic because although conjecture is fine (I certainly have a lot of it), wild not well thought-out speculation is not although I do not purport nor expect to be infallible on all issues.

Some quick points before I start:

First, like with almost any post regarding the philosophy of Terranigma, be wary of spoilers.

Second, please try to read all of the material before you formulate a response because a lot of the material is interconnected, as most of you well know. Information that is connected under different subject headings will be connected through the use of [See: xxx] recommendations. I am sorry for the length of the posts and if it violates any unwritten rule of these forums, but I wanted to make sure I made all of the relevant information available.

Third, I am new to the board, not to Terranigma, but I have not really read any of the other threads that in-depth, so if any of these ideas seem plagiarized there is no malice intent, it is simply a coincidence.

Fourth, just for quick reference when necessary Ark will frequently be characterized as Dark Ark (Underworld Ark); "The Golden Child" (Surface World Ark) or Reborn Ark (Chapter 4, prior to defeating Dark Gaia, Ark).

Fifth, unfortunately my Internet connection is less than reliable so it may be difficult to respond to any counter theories or inquiries with any level of speed and I apologize in advance for that, but I will be as fast as I can.

What is Crystal Blue?
One of the more important elements in the game appears to be Crystal Blue. To better understand the nature and role of Crystal Blue it would be best to address three questions. First, what is Crystal Blue? Second, where does Crystal Blue come from? Third, who can manipulate Crystal Blue and its role?

First, what is Crystal Blue? Based on the fact that the citizens of Crysta, including Dark Ark are all replicas constructed from Crystal Blue, it can be concluded that Crystal Blue can be manipulated into some semblance of form. Therefore, one could regard Crystal Blue as some form of modeling clay. Whether the structure of this clay is energy based or matter based will be discussed later [See: Crystal Blue as "Tears of the Outside World"].

Second, where does Crystal Blue come from? This is an interesting question because Crystal Blue is prevalent in Crysta at the beginning of the game and must be present in some form in the towers and/or rest of the underworld or penetrate the towers because the Elder reports to Dark Ark that the healing properties of the Crystal Spear only function under the Crystal Blue. The Elder also reports that these properties will no longer be available to Dark Ark when he emerges in the surface world, so it can be reasoned that either no Crystal Blue exists in the surface world or its concentration is so minute that the Crystal Spear is unable to utilize it [See: What Is The Being In The Box]. Crystal Blue does not exist naturally in the surface world, but does exist in the underworld, so what information can be deduced from this fact? Currently there is no evidence to disprove a contention that everything in the underworld is constructed from or dependent on Crystal Blue outside of Dark Gaia itself. In a game where balance between surface world and underworld/lightside and darkside is highly stressed one could contented that the appearance of Crystal Blue in the underworld is contingent on events in the surface world. It is unlikely in my eyes that Dark Gaia can simply create Crystal Blue whenever it wants. Therefore, perhaps Crystal Blue appears in the underworld in response to the birth or rebirth of a living creature in the surface world. 'Bubble' Crystal Blue is derived from the breakdown of existing replicas, but does not explain the original Crystal Blue used to make those replicas.

A couple of concerns regarding that statement do jump out. First, why does the underworld exist at the beginning of the game if the surface world is not present? I would answer that the surface world has not been destroyed, but sealed within the five towers, so the balance between lightside and darkside still remains in the context of the Crystal Blue, just no additional Crystal Blue can be created because no birth on the surface world occurs. Second, why is there no change in the structure of the underworld when Reborn Ark returns as certainly more life has been born in the surface world? This is more than likely true, but similar to concern one, the surface world was sealed not destroyed, so no additional Crystal Blue would be created when the surface world was unsealed. Although some additional birth may have occurred in the surface world who can say that Crystal Blue has not been formed to compensate because the architect of that form, Dark Gaia, obviously has other greater concerns than making more replicas. Third, how can there exist such a balance when the surface world is so much bigger than the underworld? It is true that the underworld appears to be much smaller than the surface world, but unfortunately we do not have a Crystal Blue conversion table to calculate how much Crystal Blue is created for a living being versus how much Crystal Blue it takes to construct a massive tower for sealing continents or a large lava flow. Also the Second Law of Thermodynamics can be used as a friend in this situation as Dark Gaia would require more Crystal Blue to create a replica than what actually makes up the replica. Fourth, the First Law of Thermodynamics does not appear to be so friendly, it states that energy or matter cannot be created or destroyed, so really where is Crystal Blue coming from? My best answer to this question is the energy utilized in the creation of life in the surface world somehow finds its way to the underworld [See: Crystal Blue as "Tears of the Outside World"]. An interesting final question, one which I do not have a definitive answer to, is what happens to Crystal Blue created by the above methodology if no underworld exists (Dark Gaia is sealed)? I would guess that the energy simply takes its 'bubble' form.

Third, who can manipulate Crystal Blue? It is clear in the game that Dark Gaia is able to manipulate Crystal Blue into various structures and replicas, but can Light Gaia do so as well? This question of Light Gaia's ability stems from the very end of the game after Dark Gaia is sealed Crysta seems to exist in its original state not the broken and desolate state it is in when Reborn Ark arrives. Personally I am a believer that the Gaians cannot directly influence events or material in the opposite plane, the desolate environment is more ephemeral in comparison to the original state, thus when Dark Gaia is sealed, although Crysta will disappear, the original state has a greater hold in the underworld. In addition if Light Gaia could manipulate Crystal Blue it could be possible for the replicas to continue to exist, although this may create balance issues because the Hero tends only to exist if the balance of the world is threatened. Finally Light Gaia never actually states that it is responsible for Dark Ark's last day, it just tells him to enjoy one last day. Overall it is rational to conclude that the entire underworld does not simply disappear the instant Dark Gaia is sealed, but instead its Crystal Blue structure breaks down without its architect, which explains why people can see Crystal Blue reflected in Dark Ark's eyes, his physical structure is breaking down.

Crystal Blue as "Tears of the Outside World:
How can one relate Crystal Blue as "Tears of the Outside World" if Crystal Blue only exists in the Underworld? Because the citizens of Crysta are only exposed to Crystal Blue in 'bubble' form, this analysis will only address the bubbles. One theory could relate to when one generates tears, although happiness can be a reason, more commonly sadness is the root cause. Usually sadness is facilitated by a negative event whether it is betrayal, misfortune or even death. Therefore, the ills of the outside world appear in a pure representative quality in the underworld, Crystal Blue bubbles. One could also equate, in part, the number of bubbles as representative of 'Dark Gaia's' power in the sense that the influence of Dark Gaia would be strengthened by the number of unfortunate events occurring anywhere either in the surface or the underworld. This enhancement seems reasonable because although either Gaia may not be able to directly influence events in the opposite world, their essence or strength could increase and decrease based on the events that take place in either world. However, an interesting side question is what do the images in the bubbles represent in this analysis? A proponent of the above theory may state that those images represent the origins of that particular bubble. A detractor of the above theory may state that those images represent something else. Overall I would have to side with the detractors here because although you could argue that the images have a sad tone to them, some like unfamiliar people and places, is a stretch because the boy does not seem frightened by them.

"Tears of the Outside World" may also be more of a material characterization instead of an emotional one. Each piece of Crystal Blue is a tear (a small portion) of energy that represents a counterbalance with events and beings of the surface world. This hypothesis seems to work well with the elements that people report seeing in the Crystal Blue including Ark fighting monsters, Elle and people and places the underworld residence have little to no familiarity with. However, Dark Gaia does state that "When used up, the replicas regain their form and float like so…" so why can't these events be related to underworld events as the replicas seem to provide some of the fuel, if not all of the fuel, for the bubbles although not the original fuel. The hypothesis that the images do represent underworld events is supported by Crystal Blue only existing in the underworld and at first glance the images seem plausible. Unfortunately although there is no evidence to support the fact that no one, other than the Elder and Dark Ark, in Crysta has ever left the town, making it possible that the unfamiliar places could be the towers, but there are no other people outside of Crysta in the underworld that you meet other than the Guardian, leaving wonderment to what people are being seen in the Crystal Blue if the bubble images are relegated to the underworld. Whether these images are of past or future events remains in question.

Suppose they are past events on the surface world. There is little information regarding the events on the surface world and underworld before the surface world was sealed and there is no evidence that monsters existed on the surface world. Monsters seem to exist as somewhat of a mutation of the reincarnation process or unsealing process of the surface world, similar to the chaperon protein condition or even viral nature [See: The Role of the Ra Tree]. Therefore, there is no guarantee that "The Golden Child" fought monsters before attempting to seal Dark Gaia at an earlier time. If this is true then Crystal Blue more than likely reflects future surface world events not past surface world or underworld events. Places and people unknown to citizens of Crysta, Dark Ark fighting monsters, Light Elle shown waiting for Ark etc all work for future events. Also it may be difficult to link past events due to breakdowns in the formation of Crystal Blue due to the surface and underworld being sealed at multiple intervals. Finally what about Crystal Blue being reflected in Ark's eyes? I believe this is just a statement to the fact that Dark Ark is made out of Crystal Blue and his physical structure, due to sealing Dark Gaia, is starting to breakdown.

Crystal Blue as a Temporary Phenomenon?
One thing that I have always wondered about is something Dark Elle states early in the game. Dark Elle: "… You should go outside. Crystal Blue is in the air and it's very pretty. They should help get your mind off bad dreams." This statement seems strange if Crystal Blue was a permanent fixture in the environment. It really only makes sense, to me at least, if Dark Elle had experienced at least one day without Crystal Blue in the air. The kid in the domicile also seems to suffer from this condition in that he cannot go out and play because Crystal Blue is in the air, but the tenor of the statement seems to imply that he does go out and play once in a while.

Finally the farmer reports that he does not know what Crystal Blue is and whether or not it will hurt his crops. The first portion of the statement is reasonable because even under normal circumstances it would be difficult to characterize and define Crystal Blue (look at us if free-thinking seemingly reasonable individuals could have trouble defining Crystal Blue, at least for me, what chance does a pre-programmed non-conscious being have). The second portion of the statement though seems unreasonable because if Crystal Blue is a permanent fixture of the environment then the farmer should easily know whether or not it negatively influences his crops on a significant level due to time of exposure. Of course if Crystal Blue is a permanent fixture of the environment and the farmer still is unclear then one of two different hypotheses can be postulated. First, the farmer is a complete idiot. Second, the flow of time in Crysta is unique, almost like a "Groundhog Day" type situation where not necessarily the same day, as witnessed in the demo and the words of Crysta citizens, but the same week may repeat over and over again. This phenomenon could also explain the 'past' déjà vu type memories the people of Crysta have, seen from repeated weeks past. In addition let us say if the same week is repeated in Crysta, the dreams that seem to predict the future and relive the past also almost make a little more sense [See: Dreams of Crystians]. Of course one could come to the conclusion that this is only day two or three in the existence of Crysta, but to make that statement how would you addresses Reborn Ark's statement to Light Elle that he lived for a long time in Crysta with Dark Elle and has many memories together? Honestly I am not sure if Crystal Blue is a temporary occurrence, but I want to say no. Note: When I state time cycling I mean time in the same Crysta (Crysta 1, Crysta 1, Crysta 1 etc.) not time cycling between different Crysta (Crysta 1, Crysta 2, Crysta 3 etc.).

What Makes Dark Ark So Special?
Why is Dark Ark so special? Dark Ark is told multiple times during the game that he exists outside of the loop of fate/time and is therefore special. How did it come to pass that Dark Ark exists outside of these cycles, especially because he was created by Dark Gaia or so it tells Dark Ark? Did Dark Gaia come to realize that the cyclic nature of creation and destruction in the world was eternal unless it created a being outside this loop that could change it, in some effort to change the balance of the world for a power grab over Light Gaia [See: Dark Gaia's Motivation]? If so, how was Dark Gaia able to accomplish such a feat or is it even responsible [See: Does Dark Ark Have a Soul]? Unfortunately for Dark Gaia, such a being would be outside of its control and not necessarily guaranteed to break the cycle. Is Dark Ark the only one in Crysta that has free will, the ability to make choices for himself? [See: Do Crystians Have Souls?]. If Dark Ark exists outside of the loop of fate then it is highly likely that he does have free will, therefore, Dark Gaia could not be guaranteed that Dark Ark would open Pandora's Box. Although the game does not allow it because you have to advanced the plot line, Dark Ark does have a choice of whether or not to open the door. If you refuse, the three guys that try are sucked through the door, so perhaps Dark Gaia forced the issue by inducing those individuals in its residence to try to open the door and be sucked through motivating Dark Ark to open the door and claim the box? One could argue that none of the actions taken by Dark Ark were fated; instead they were decisions he made on his own with possible coaxing by outside entities like Dark Gaia and Light Gaia. Light Yomi seems to support this notion of Dark Ark with free will, "I'll be back when someone strays from the flock like Ark".

Dark Gaia: "If you never found out you could have been happy… But you appeared to have learned more than you should have". What does this mean? This statement implies that Dark Ark did have some semblance of free will and opening Pandora's Box was not a guarantee. The statement by Dark Gaia is funny in a sense because it apparently did not anticipate that Dark Ark would meet up with people like Meihou and Kumari during his journey in the surface world? Of course I do not necessarily think that Dark Gaia planned for Dark Ark to resurrect the world, in essence Dark Ark was not necessarily created solely to resurrect the world instead Dark Ark would be Dark Gaia's best chance to resurrect the world. Thus when the opportunity arose Dark Gaia and Dark Yomi pushed Dark Ark in the right direction. According to "The Golden Child" Dark Gaia did have high hopes for Dark Ark though as Dark Ark was created by Dark Gaia to rule the planet as his own. This statement also hints to what "The Golden Child" believes to be the motivation for the actions taken by Dark Gaia and also supports the contention that a Gaia cannot directly influence events in the opposite world [See: Dark Gaia's Motivation]. Interestingly enough Dark Gaia cannot or does not simply destroy Reborn Ark's physical form (Dark Ark) in their confrontation as it seems to remove the form from the other residence of Crysta [See: Who is Reborn Ark].

To conclude Dark Ark was not destined to open the box, aside from the above reasoning, Kumari did say that Dark Ark existed outside the loop of fate and in my opinion that type of statement is a black/white unchanging statement. One is either inside the loop of fate or outside the loop of fate and once decided the particular being cannot either enter or leave the loop. Of course one could argue that the fact that Dark Ark was not bound to fate may be exactly why he opened the box because perhaps none of the other replicas in Crysta were fated to do so, so they could not.

Side Note: Regard Ark and fate in opening the Pandora Box - Another point that may support the rational that he is not guaranteed to open it is the individual on the left side of the table in the Elder's domicile who states: "If I told you this you would probably laugh Ark, but over at that door, you know, the one that the Elder said we mustn't open. When you go past it I get this spooky feeling as if someone is calling my name." So apparently Dark Yomi does not really care who opens the box, just someone. Ironically this individual is the only one that is not trying to break the door down later in the day.

Who is Dark Ark as a Person?
Given the burden of not only resurrecting all of the continents of the surface world (except for one particular one), but also all of its life-forms, the character and motivations of Dark Ark is something that deserves analysis. Although I have postulated that Dark Ark is not destined to open Pandora's Box [See: What Makes Dark Ark So Special]; [See: Look it a Box, no it's Pandora's Box…], it is clear that if Dark Gaia could have anyone open the box it would prefer Dark Ark, so does it design Dark Ark with any special character traits in order to accomplish this goal? The first trait that becomes relevant is combat ability. Dark Gaia is surely aware that its pawn in the resurrection of the surface world will have to have the necessary combat abilities, thus copying the individual who seals it would certainly suffice.

One of the individuals in the Elder's house states that the Elder told everyone never to open the blue door. Was Dark Ark designed with enough curiosity that Dark Gaia hopped would naturally lead Ark to open the door? This is a difficult question to answer without first coming to a conclusion regarding how long Crysta has existed when you start the game. If Crysta has existed for months/years then the answer is no, if Crysta has existed for days then the answer is maybe yes. Remember Dark Ark does not initiate the interest in the door, three of the four individuals in the Elder's Foyer (I guess that is what it would be) do, so his curiosity is not strong enough to overcome the Elder's orders, but his sense of duty to save is fellow citizens is.

After Dark Ark saves his fellow citizens why does he elect to follow the instructions of the Elder, he already violated the word of the Elder once when he opened the door, so why listen this time (besides plot considerations)? Although Dark Ark is rather rambunctious, frequently placing him in hot water with adults, he does not appear to be selfish or self-centered as he actively plays with the children of Crysta and seems to have healthy relationships with those his own age, but he is excited about seeing the environment outside of Crysta and the surface world, excitement expressed on multiple occasions. However, in the end, he feels that he is driven by a deeper purpose as demonstrated in his conversation with Dark Elle when she is weaving his new cape and asks if he will go far away, "I don't know. I got this feeling after seeing the world outside, something, somewhere is waiting for me." How did this element of Dark Ark's personality, this feeling come about, is it self-evolved or Dark Gaia imbued? Honestly I believe this portion of Dark Ark's personality is derived directly from who he is modeled after ("The Golden Child"). This connection to "The Golden Child" creates a deeper purpose for the journey in lieu of 'The Elder told me to' or 'the surface world will be exciting'. In addition one wonders if the nightmares he is having at the beginning of the game [See: Dreams of Crystians] is any indication of what is to come.

With regards to Dark Ark's interaction with others, it is initially hard to identify how well he gets along with others because most of the significant interaction involves the player making a choice of whether or not to assist the individual. Dark Ark does not appear to have any significant level of malice in his thoughts or actions, but how much he genuinely cares about people in the surface world is complicated by his naivety about what is actually happening. Thus his desire to know and explore may be the reason he accepts so many requests for assistance instead of some greater altruistic nature. Overall Dark Ark is not a bad person, but how good of a person he is, is debatable. However, Dark Ark does realize the value of friendship and having relationships with others.

Finally Dark Ark is very determined to succeed in his quest primarily because he is the type of person that does not want to leave things unfinished. Even when he almost dies at the hands of Beruga he refuses to die without knowing the real truth behind the reason for resurrecting the surface world. This 'never give-up' type mindset is enhanced by his conversation with the mountain goat in route to resurrecting human beings (personally one of the greatest sequences in the entire game). Interestingly Reborn Ark reports (speaking similar to Dark Ark) that he feels he has not changed over the course of his journey when returning to the underworld, so who really can understand him. As a final point it seems to me that part of Dark Ark's motivation may be ironically to identify the real motivation behind why the surface world needs to be resurrected outside of filler reasoning such as 'the Elder told me to do it'. Interestingly enough despite what Dark Ark says, he decided for himself to seal Dark Gaia, by seeking out the Starstones, because he realized that the world needed to run on a balance of light and dark.

What or Who Exactly is "The Golden Child"?
First, it is obvious that "The Golden Child" is Light Side Ark. However, where did he come from and what is his role? Based on his own words and the words of Dark Gaia, "The Golden Child" at one point in time before the game begins had a hand in sealing Dark Gaia. How this occurred and its magnitude is somewhat foggy [See: Dark Gaia and Seals]. So, "The Golden Child" is a key instrumental cog in controlling the balance of the world. In addition "The Golden Child" does appear to be an associate of Light Gaia. He is connected to the Starstones, but what is that connection [See: What Exactly Are the Starstones]? Also what type of connection does he have with Dark Ark before their fusion? When "The Golden Child" is called forth by the Starstones he seems to know the situation. Is this knowledge similar to that of Light Yomi recognizing Reborn Ark as the hero [See: What is Yomi] or is he and/or the Starstones somehow collecting information during Dark Ark's journey through some perhaps psychic connection? Realistically was "The Golden Child" created by Light Gaia similar to how the physical form of Dark Ark was created by Dark Gaia or was "The Golden Child" originally a typical human that somehow transcended into "The Golden Child"? Personally I like to believe that he was originally a human and somehow Light Gaia tied his existence to the Starstones making him more than human, more than likely this transcendence occurred after "The Golden Child" sealed Dark Gaia.

Finally what is his general lifespan? The lifespan and overall existence of "The Golden Child" is shrouded in mystery. Exactly how was he created, is he bound by a certain fate? Personally I would be receptive to the thought that "The Golden Child" is bound by some level of fate in the context of his relationship to the Starstones [See: What Exactly Are the Starstones]. Overall I would contend that "The Golden Child" is an agent of good and balance in the game (why else would Kumari tell Dark Ark to call him forth and why would Lhasa residents believe that " The Golden Child is said to right the factors that shape fate."), but the personality we are exposed to seems to be very business-like and serious, in some ways contradictory to the personality of Dark Ark.

What Exactly are Starstones?
The Starstones are interesting because they exist before Beruga is resurrected, heck they exist even before humans in general are resurrected (Liem obtains a Starstone by defeating Mud Doll in the Canyon). So what is the reason for the existence of a Starstone at this point in the game?
Depending on when you believe "The Golden Child" is killed, at the moment Liem obtains his Starstone "The Golden Child" is either sealed and dead or sealed and alive. Either way a possible solution could be that Starstones exist throughout the world, but have no meaning unless "The Golden Child" is sealed/killed. Regarding the connection between "The Golden Child" and the Starstones one could come to the conclusion that the essence/soul of "The Golden Child" is never extinguished, but instead if no physical form exists it seals itself at the Grave at Time's End. The skulls in that particular graveyard could act as conduits for releasing the essence similar to the towers in the underworld. The Starstones act as a means to activate the conduit similar to the gigantic 'disco' balls in the control center of the towers. I would assume that the Starstones could be placed into the skulls if the "The Golden Child" is still alive, but nothing would happen because there is no essence/soul to release. You can place Starstones in the skulls before Kumari tells you to seek them out, but nothing happens because you cannot get all five before that point. The Starstones are still charging the skulls after the Arks fuse, so I would imagine that the Starstones remains on the skulls/alters until the essence of "The Golden Child" is stripped from its body or the body it currently resides in.

One question not addressed is how were the Starstones were scattered throughout the world? After the Starstones release the essence of "The Golden Child" I would suspect that the stones remain in the skulls until the essence loses its physical form and returns to the grave where the stones scatter to reform the seal because without the seal or a physical form I suspect that the essence of "The Golden Child" would dissipate soon after. So basically Light Gaia created the Starstones as a mechanism to shelter the soul of Light Ark after Dark Gaia was first sealed, thus transcending his existence to that of "The Golden Child" that which protects fate. Thus the Starstones were probably created by Light Gaia as a means to maintain the form and existence of "The Golden Child" to ensure that its 'champion' could always come into existence when the balance of the world is threatened.

Of course Dark Yomi raises an interesting question about the true existence of "The Golden Child" when he comments that when he kills Reborn Ark there will be nothing to stop him and Dark Gaia. Does Dark Yomi believe that by removing Reborn Ark he kills Dark Ark ('the vessel') for "The Golden Child" thus even if "The Golden Child" returns to his seal there will be no one alive that will be able to unseal him and fuse with him. Or does Dark Yomi believe that killing Reborn Ark will destroy both "The Golden Child" and Dark Ark? It is improbable that Dark Yomi believes the latter, but Dark Yomi does not appear to know very much about "The Golden Child" in general.

A quick note: I wonder about the actual reincarnation process that embodies "The Golden Child"? When, if ever, does he get his own body and when is he relegated to waiting for a vessel? I would argue that the lifecycle of "The Golden Child" can be traced similar to:
Born in an actual body - Seals Dark Gaia - Connected to the Starstones by Light Gaia - Dies in Astarica - Soul sealed in Antarctica - Soul released by Dark Ark - Dark Ark fusion forming Reborn Ark - Born again in an actual body … This cyclic pattern of existence for "The Golden Child" can also be used to explain the graves in Antarctica as each grave is a cycle marker representing a physical death of "The Golden Child". Each grave has the same inscription: "When Light and Shadow come together, he shall rise again…" so it is not hard to concluded that each grave has a strong commonality with the others. Therefore, if one believes in some super cycle break theory it is possible to determine the number of times Dark Gaia has been sealed before the break by counting the number of graves, » 55th cycle +- 2.

If one really wants to get potentially wacky when it comes to theorizing, one could associate each Starstone with a particular characteristic of Dark Ark or "The Golden Child" based on the events that transpired in its acquisition. For example the stone originally acquired by Liem represents courage demonstrated in his combat against the Mud Doll. The stone gained from the scientist on Ayes Rock represents faith demonstrated by a voice informing the scientist that Dark Ark would arrive when the world was threatened to collect the stone and how he believes humans have become somewhat arrogant to so quickly abandon god. The stone from Astarica represents sacrifice demonstrated by the willingness of "The Golden Child" to drink from a goblet despite knowing the result, because it was necessary for the future. The stone from Penginea represents love/friendship demonstrated by the eagerness of the penguin to give up its stone for the flower to present to the female penguin. Finally the stone from Neo Tokio possessed by the girl represents strength demonstrated by her ability to live alone in the desolated town and survive. One could also reason that these attributes make up a large portion of the character of "The Golden Child" and could be a reason why he was selected as the chief replica of Dark Gaia's plan notwithstanding that it is smart to create a replica of the creature that defeated you. A final interesting side note is that despite his powers Meihou seems bound by fate in that he cannot find the Starstones even though be basically knows where they are.

How Does "The Golden Child" End Up Sealed/Buried at Antarctica?
There are two possible answers to this question. First, during the death of "The Golden Child", Kumari retrieved the body and buried it there. There is precedence to support the ability of Kumari to do such a thing seen with Dark Ark. Second, due to the connection between "The Golden Child" and the Starstones whenever the soul/spirit of "The Golden Child" exists without physical form it inherently returns to its place of rest at The Grave at Time's End. It is difficult to conclude that any human buried the soul or body of "The Golden Child" for three reasons. First, as I recall no human in the game ever mentions The Grave at Time's End other than Kumari or his fellow monk, thus they would not know where it is, so it is difficult to believe that anyone would bury him there. Second, depending on when "The Golden Child" died the necessary navigational techniques to travel from the site of his death to The Grave at Time's End would not exist. Third, assuming that "The Golden Child" dies at Astarica I would venture that nobody is left alive to retrieve the body. Another interesting note about Antarctica is you do not revive it with the other continents in Chapter 1, instead I believe it is resurrected when you unseal humans. Unfortunately there is no way to test this hypothesis because I cannot remember seeing a map of the world until you get in a ship long after unsealing humans.

Where Does "The Golden Child" go After the Conflict at the Gaia Stone? "The Golden Child" tells Dark Ark that it is time for us to return to our respective worlds. So "The Golden Child" returns to the surface world, but does he return to the Grave at Time's End or is he reincarnated? Honestly I want to believe that he is not reincarnated because of balance issues that exist with Light Gaia, "The Golden Child" and Kumari all in existence and no Dark Gaia, Dark Ark or Beruga, but it is hard to break away from the obvious regarding the Ending. One potential solution to this balance problem comes from the relationship between dreams and whether or not Dark Ark has a soul.

Who is Reborn Ark and What is His Fate?
Although there is some textual controversy regarding who the hero really is in this game [See: Who Really is the Hero] smart money says that Reborn Ark, who is an amalgamation between Dark Ark and "The Golden Child", is the hero. However, his existence is rather ephemeral in that his sole goal is to repair the loop of time/fate by destroying Beruga. The rational behind his extended mission of sealing Dark Gaia is questionable [See: Why Does Reborn Ark Need to Seal Dark Gaia]. So unfortunately we do not receive much exposure to many different personality traits making it difficult to elaborate the amalgamation process. Exactly what attributes such as body, mind and soul are constituted in Reborn Ark from Dark Ark or "The Golden Child"? Based on NPC interaction Dark Ark seems to clearly be the dominant personality of the two, but note that only Dark Gaia, Light Yomi and Light Elle seem to identify Reborn Ark as the hero (Columbus maybe as well), so perhaps "The Golden Child" may yield conversations to Dark Ark because he has formed relationships with those Reborn Ark interacts with while in existence.

Overall it is difficult to conceive that the fusion is not pure (there is no evidence to demonstrate otherwise), so what constitutes the body, mind and soul of Reborn Ark? Personally I believe that the body is Dark Ark's ("The Golden Child" does not appear to have a body at the time of the fusion), but whether or not the body is entirely Dark Ark's or even relevant is debatable. Their minds are fused together as one as both convey knowledge only one or the other would know and the soul is that of "The Golden Child". The soul analysis of course depends on whether or not you believe Dark Ark has a soul and where it comes from [See: Does Dark Ark Have a Soul]. At the Gaia Stone "The Golden Child" makes the statement that it is time for both Arks to return to their respective worlds. Based on that statement it would be logical to concluded that Dark Ark returns to the ravaged Crysta and "The Golden Child" returns to the surface world in some form or another and Reborn Ark ceases to exist for the time being. However, does Dark Ark really only return to Crysta and "The Golden Child" really only return to the surface world [See: Who Really is the Hero]?
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(continuing from above)

What Causes Reborn Ark to 'Grow-Up' After Talking to Kumari and What is the Significance of Reborn Ark as a Baby?
Most people I am sure look at the literal interpretation of this characterization as rebirth when "The Golden Child" and Dark Ark fuse together, life starting anew. However, how does that explain the rapid transition to adulthood? Does Kumari hasten time in a microenvironment surrounding Reborn Ark? If so why is it necessary to call Ra Tree, King Bird and Liem to his aid in order to do so? I believe the analysis may tend to focus too much on the physical nature of baby Reborn Ark and does not address the notion of a child's ignorance and innocence. It could be reasoned that when "The Golden Child" and Dark Ark fused and were reborn, the rebirth was in both the mind and the body not just body alone thus a loss of purpose in addition to physical ability. Therefore, Kumari invokes Ra Tree, King Bird and Liem to remind Reborn Ark what his duty is and what he has gone through, thus with this reminder Reborn Ark is no longer ignorant to what must be done, awakening his mind. Thus Reborn Ark grows both physically and mentally. Without rekindling the motivation and duty in Ark, the mere physical alteration would have little meaning.

One lingering question about the reincarnation/fusion process is the body construct of Reborn Ark. It appears Dark Ark provides the body for the fusion, but is the body of Reborn Ark constructed of Crystal Blue? Assuming that it is not Crystal Blue, otherwise why does Dark Gaia not simply destroy Reborn Ark's physical form during their confrontation, where does this new body come from, the basic reincarnation process? What exactly happens at the Gaia Stone after defeating Dark Gaia? Why does Dark Ark revert to his original Crystal Blue body? Does "The Golden Child" keep the reborn body and if so why? My theory is that Reborn Ark's body is indeed some construct of Crystal Blue, but with the unionized soul the structure of the Crystal Blue is stabilized. The soul acts as bonding glue, so Dark Gaia cannot manipulate its structure as it did with other Crystians. At the Gaia Stone "The Golden Child" separates from Dark Ark, whether or not "The Golden Child" takes the entire soul is dependent on your belief about super cycles [in the future there should be section about the cycles and fate]. Thus without the entire soul, the body, now Dark Ark has no agent to keep it from breaking down. Of course regardless of whether you believe the body is Crystal Blue or an actual body, you will encounter difficult questions.

Why does Reborn Ark need to seal Dark Gaia?
"The Golden Child" and Kumari both state that the loop of fate is broken because of the resurrection of Beruga not because Dark Gaia is not sealed. Therefore, when Beruga is killed, why does Dark Gaia need to be sealed for the loop of fate is not disrupted? Other then advancement of the plot, the best possible answer to this question is the hypothesis that either a new loop of fate is created when Reborn Ark is born, a loop that demands sealing Dark Gaia or unlike Dark Ark, Reborn Ark actually does exist within the loop of fate and his fate is to seal Dark Gaia.

So Who Really is the Hero?
One of the interesting quirks with the game is that many individuals seem to spread their understanding and opinions of who the hero is between all three versions of Ark. "The Golden Child" and Light Gaia seem to regard Dark Ark is the hero. Those of the surface world (or at least those responsible for the graveyard in Antarctica), Kumari and Dark Gaia seem to hint that "The Golden Child" is the hero. Dark Yomi, Light Yomi, Columbus and Chapter 4 seem to acknowledge Reborn Ark as the hero. So who is really the hero? Obviously Reborn Ark has to be the hero in this cycle as he is able to open the Dark Side Box, wield the Hero's Arms in addition to the acknowledgement by the Yomis and the Chapter title. However, what exactly does Light Gaia mean when it says: "You are the hero who appears when the earth is in danger. In you flow both the blood of Light Gaia and Dark Gaia. Your duty is now finished. Your body will soon disappear." This quote makes little initial sense as it immediately implies that Dark Ark is the hero all along, not "The Golden Child" or Reborn Ark. Note: It is highly probable that Light Gaia is talking to Dark Ark not "The Golden Child" or Reborn Ark here because at the Gaia Stone "The Golden Child" states that it is time for both Arks to return to their respective worlds. Also Light Gaia invites this Ark to enjoy one final day of existence in Crysta, something that would not make sense to anyone other than Dark Ark. If the two Arks went their separate ways at the Gaia Stone, how is it that Dark Ark has the blood of Light Gaia and Dark Gaia? Also if that is so, how is it that Dark Ark will still cease to exist once the underworld disappears due to Dark Gaia being sealed?

I can only see two ways the above concern can be reconciled, first is if Dark Ark evolved into the hero through the trials and ordeals of his journey. "The Golden Child" also makes the statement that Dark Ark did not die in his journey because he is the hero. So are we to assume that Dark Gaia created Dark Ark with free will and attempted to manipulate him into creating a situation where Dark Gaia could disrupt the cycle of creation and destruction on the surface world, [See Dark Gaia's Motivation] but instead Dark Ark evolved into the hero who appears when the Earth is in danger? If true, what does that make the "The Golden Child"? Perhaps, "The Golden Child" is the heroic catalyst and Dark Ark before fusion is the hero substrate and after fusion is the hero product. As the heroic catalyst "The Golden Child" could then break from the fusion and Dark Ark would remain with some part of "The Golden Child" despite him no longer actually being with him [See: Does Dark Ark Have a Soul]. Second, both Dark Ark and "The Golden Child" are part of the real hero in Reborn Ark due to their respective souls, so in some context both of them are the hero, but this theory does not hold up to my interpretation of Dark Ark's soul, so of course I do not believe it. Finally was "The Golden Child" the hero in a past cycle? I believe it is clearly possible [See: Does Dark Ark Have a Soul].

Dark Gaia and Seals (not the animals):
If Dark Gaia was sealed in the past by some entity, how did Dark Gaia break the seal? Two possible options for this question, first, Dark Gaia was not completely sealed in the context that it could no longer actively influence events, but still could passively influence events in both the surface or underworld. However, there is no evidence to suggest that Dark Gaia could ever directly influence events on the surface world, only beings that allied themselves with Dark Gaia ever influenced events on the surface world; therefore, under this sealing premise, sealing Dark Gaia changes very little if you simply seal its ability to actively influence events seeing that most of its influence appears to be indirect anyways. Also this type of a seal does not jibe with the result of sealing Dark Gaia at the end of the game. Second, Dark Gaia was not completely sealed in the context of time, for a short period Dark Gaia could not act and the underworld vanished, but later Dark Gaia was released from its seal and was able to influence and manipulate events once again. I believe this second reason is correct because note when Dark Gaia's powers are sealed after losing to Reborn Ark Crysta and the entire underworld will vanish or so says Light Gaia. This reality demonstrates that when a Gaian's power is sealed it has no influence in either world, not a simple passive influence. Overall whether or not Reborn Ark is required to completely seal Dark Gaia is unclear because we do not know what form or assistance "The Golden Child" had when sealing Dark Gaia in the past and what the eventual fate of Dark Gaia will be in the future. However, let us theorize for a moment about this issue.

The statement made by Dark Gaia, "There's someone inside you! The representative of Lightside… -- Just as before…" seems to be one of the defining statements. This line can be interpreted in two ways. It can be interpreted as this Dark Gaia referencing the situation as occurring exactly as it had in a past time with another Dark Gaia or Dark Gaia could be referring to Light Ark as its sole opponent in a past time. Granted it is easier to interpret the statement as the former instead of the latter. However, that does not jibe with certain other side elements regarding sealing. For example, who acted as the 'vessel' for "The Golden Child" when Dark Gaia was first sealed before making the copy of Dark Ark if "The Golden Child" was just a soul/spirit? I can only see two possible options. First, the past cycle Dark Ark was the vessel for "The Golden Child" and the events are happening exactly as they normally did. Of course if that were true, then it may complicate things regarding the difference in cycles between the start of the game and the end of the game. It basically implies that Beruga and Dark Ark are not special, instead they are just bit players that play a recursive role and that Dark Ark may actually be bound by fate, if he has fused with "The Golden Child" in a number of cycles past. (Kumari's understanding of fate may be flawed because he too is encapsulated in a potential super cycle, but that remains to be proven). Second, the vessel for "The Golden Child" is someone else. This theory has its own problems because remember I believe the fusion to be 'perfect'/'pure' fusion to form Reborn Ark. How can a past Reborn Ark be created between "The Golden Child" and another entity unless that other entity is very similar to Ark? Notwithstanding that problem, who would be available to even make a realistic attempt at the fusion? The only person I can think of is Elle because some characters describe the closeness of their souls. However, how does this fusion occur, with which Elle (remember Dark Gaia still exists so Dark Elle may exist as well) and if Elle acted as the vessel you would think that Dark Gaia would be able to tell a difference in appearance between Ark and Elle. Thus the person more than likely had to look like Ark, so Ark is acting as his own vessel and spirit with Elle somehow thrown into the mix just does not fly. Also neither Elle ever really volunteers to fuse with "The Golden Child", so how did it happen? Assume the most likely Elle to fuse would be Astarica Elle, this Elle demonstrates no desire to fuse with Astarica Ark and Astarica Ark seems to die while Astarica Elle is still unfused with Astarica Ark, so when did the fusion take place?

So, although it may seem more of a stretch to assume the second interpretation is what Dark Gaia means, it probably is correct because the first interpretation does not seem to hold up to scrutiny. Also one could argue that because there is a gap in the phrase by Dark Gaia that the second interpretation is correct. Note that Dark Gaia does not say the entire phrase in one breath, but splits it up into three different statements at different, but consecutive points in the fight.

After that long detour, in addition if this second sealing rational is correct, exactly what is the methodology that must be followed for Dark Gaia to re-emerge in the world? The underworld disappears, so any unsealing of Dark Gaia or the creation of a new Dark Gaia probably needs to occur in the surface world. However, how does this re-emergence occur? Suppose the requisite amount of time elapses, does the new Dark Gaia just 'magically' pop-up, remake the underworld and begin its job of creating disharmony and removing the unnecessary? How would this 'pop-up' occur? When Dark Gaia is sealed is it sealed in some third world we do not know about or was only "The Golden Child" responsible for sealing Dark Gaia in every previous cycle except for the one the game follows and Dark Gaia is only partly sealed and some portion of the underworld still exists and the essence of Dark Gaia simply resides in the unsealed portion of the underworld? Also what happens in the underworld in regards to Crystal Blue when Dark Gaia is gone versus when it re-emerges [See: What is Crystal Blue] and what happens with entities like the Guardian and Dark Yomi when Dark Gaia is sealed versus when it comes back? Overall I believe that Astarica plays an important part in the overall resurrection/unsealing process of Dark Gaia [See: What the Heck is Happening in Astarica]?

Dark Gaia was not the only thing in this game to get sealed. Who sealed the surface world and what event transpired prior to it happening? Overall it makes little sense that Dark Gaia would seal the surface world because such an action would be contrary to its motivation [See: Dark Gaia's Motivation]. In the same vein I doubt any other entities that are affiliated with Dark Gaia would purposely seal the surface world. Neither of these entities would act in such a way because Dark Gaia would either be winning the battle or it would be sealed, so either there would be no reason to seal the surface world or it would not be able to. Therefore, it is logical to assume that either Light Gaia or some entity affiliated with Light Gaia is responsible. Realistically "The Golden Child" cannot be responsible because he dies before the surface world is sealed. So the only two candidates for sealing the world are Kumari or Light Gaia. Due to their close knit relationship I do not believe that it matters which one actually did seal the surface world, but the motivation does matter. Why would Light Gaia seal the surface world, in essence sealing itself? I suspect the situation was fairly bleak in that Light Gaia just lost "The Golden Child" and Beruga was more than likely still outside of his cryo-stasis, thus I imagine the breakdown of the loop of time/fate culminating in Dark Gaia's return forced Light Gaia, in effort to preserve its role in existence, to seal the surface world maintaining the static balance. One final side note: I would venture that either Gaia could seal itself anytime anywhere, but an outside entity can only seal a Gaia at the respective Gaia Stone where the Gaia creates a real form. Perhaps when one defeats a Gaia with a real form, one destroys that Gaia rather than simply seals it. Maybe there is a difference in the type and duration of seal if it is voluntary versus forced?

Dark Gaia's Motivation:
In essence I believe that the motivation of Dark Gaia to send Dark Ark on his journey is to displace Light Gaia. Using Beruga, Dark Gaia can break the loop of creation and destruction removing the balance of the world because no longer will Light Gaia play a significant role in creation. Instead through Beruga Dark Gaia will control creation [Beruga's Generic Engineering and Zombie Creating (perfection to come) Technology] and destruction (the Asmodeus Virus which Beruga has converted into a weapon). With this type of control in the hands of Dark Gaia and its allies the role of Light Gaia is severely diminished. One particular statement made by Dark Gaia when Reborn Ark is transversing the infinite corridor to the Gaia Stone illustrate this motivation, "… Soon light and shadow will become one. … For Earth's new beginning I shall fight like you, with real form." This statement does allude to the fact that not only has light and shadow become one for Reborn Ark, but light and shadow will become one for the Earth. Of course in this case the light and shadow do not directly represent Light and Dark Gaia, but instead represent their roles in the cycle of time/fate where Dark Gaia will undertake the responsibility of both roles instead of simply destruction. Overall the strategy is Dark Gaia intends to basically push Light Gaia off a cliff in regards to its functional role in the world. Note I do not think Dark Gaia initially plans to carry this goal out, but when Beruga changed [See: What Drives Beruga to Ally with Dark Gaia] Dark Gaia saw its opportunity. It is an interesting though that Dark Gaia still has this motivation when entering into battle with Reborn Ark because Beruga is dead, King Henri is dead, Queen of Sylvain is dead (twice) and Dark Yomi is dead, so what kind of trump card does Dark Gaia have to accomplish its goal if it was successful in defeating Reborn Ark? I believe that Dark Gaia has reached a point where it realizes that if it does not kill Reborn Ark it cannot win and going back to a cyclic balance between creation and destruction at this point is unacceptable, so it risks being sealed for its goal.

Look it a Box, no it's Pandora's Box, really I though it was just a Box:
Dark Yomi: "You should be able discover the future that has been invested in this box". What does this quote mean? Dark Gaia: "But its real significance you will come to learn yourself." So what is the great meaning of Pandora's Box? Also why does opening Pandora's Box displace all of the 'souls' in Crysta? Dark Gaia reports that the box is not the underworld's box, but the surface world box. Therefore, assuming he is telling the truth, what type of control does Dark Gaia have over the box as it is not its box? One could make the statement that only a small amount of Light Gaia can directly exist in the underworld and visa versa with Dark Gaia and the surface world, so when the surface world box is opened, too much surface world energy is released into the underworld generating an unbalance in the underworld displacing the souls of those in Crysta. Perhaps the displacement means to lead the souls back to the surface world, which currently is still sealed, thus the souls instead are displaced to the towers where the surface world is sealed and are reconstituted into monsters.

Another rational, the one I believe, could be that the surface world box has no real expulsion of power and opening the box does nothing in the way of releasing any energy and Dark Gaia manipulated Dark Ark by displacing the souls in Crysta itself. What motivation does Dark Gaia have to force Dark Ark to go to the towers? Clearly Dark Gaia wants Dark Ark to resurrect the surface world and Beruga to potentially shift the balance of power between the two Gaias. Why do I believe that the explanation in the last paragraph is somewhat suspect, because when Reborn Ark opens Pandora's Box in the surface world, which should be the underworld's box, there is no resultant state of unbalance and associated displacement of souls as underworld energy flows into the surface world. There are some possible explanations for this lack of chaos. First, the surface world is considerable larger than the underworld and if the energy in the respective boxes is either equal or proportional to the size of the world then the underworld energy may more easily dissipate in the surface world. Second, the box only influences Storkholm/Crysta and when this box is opened only Light Elle and Reborn Ark are present and Ark is shielded from the effect of the box and Light Elle has no corresponding soul to be displaced, but that does not make very much sense. Also note that opening Light Side Pandora's Box does not extract the souls of all of the individuals in Crysta right away, but instead after a brief conversation with Dark Elle, another potential plan point of Dark Gaia.

Returning to the opening statements made by Dark Yomi and Dark Gaia, what do they mean? Dark Yomi's statement is probably in reference to the potential of one who opens the box to resurrect the surface world and/or restore balance to the Earth. Dark Yomi's statement also may reveal some clue to the origins of Pandora's box (at least the Light Side one). Did the Elder create the box and lie about it originating in the surface world or was a Pandora's box created as a fail-safe in case one of the worlds was sealed? In my opinion it makes a lot more sense if the Elder created the box as the jumping off point for its plan, but unfortunately such a deceitful answer is not that much fun. Therefore, it is entirely possible that the box, which corresponds to its appropriate world is created in the opposite world when that world is sealed as a step in the process to remove the seal. The box seems to exists as long as its counter-weight guardian exists [See: What is the Deal with Yomi].

What is the Deal with Yomi? You Open the Box…
The Yomis are interesting both for what they are and their personalities. Overall the analysis will primarily focus on Dark Yomi seeing that it travels with you through about 90+% of the game. So the first obvious question is what are the Yomis and why are they trapped in the respective opposite world boxes? Addressing the second question, first, one could regard Yomi as a gatekeeper for the box, one who ensures that the proper person opens the box. Recall that Dark Yomi had to instruct Dark Ark on how to open the box when first confronted with it. But why keep an opposite Yomi in a given box? One pet theory of mine is that each Yomi, Light and Dark, fills the role of an aid de camp to its respective Gaia. Light Yomi informs Dark Ark that the first beings on Earth were Yomis (why anyone would evolve from a no arms, no legs, small round body, floating creature is beyond me, haha). Therefore, it is not a large stretch of the imagination that two of these Yomis, one from each world were promoted to a role of assisting the function of the Gaians. Of course there is no real game evidence to support or disprove this hypothesis other than the realization that the Yomis in the game are more important than the generic living being, similar in level to that of Kumari. In addition the Yomis may be bound to the opposite boxes as a means to balance the use and creation of each box.

The choices that Dark Yomi makes during the quest can be questioned. Early Dark Yomi motivates Dark Ark on his tasks as the aid de camp of Dark Gaia in effort to break the cycle and his behavior underlies that goal. However, his behavior is suspect after the resurrection of Beruga. Dark Yomi tells Reborn Ark that Dark Gaia instructed him to kill Dark Ark after he resurrects Beruga; however, Dark Yomi also states that he voluntarily 'bided his time' until Dark Ark found the Hero. Later Dark Yomi reports to Reborn Ark as he is about to kill him, that he is sorry (he actually feels remorse that he is killing Ark, almost similar to if he had a gun to his head and was given the option: you or Ark), but the word of Dark Gaia is absolute. Why is it that Dark Yomi felt he could violate one order from Dark Gaia, but must follow another? Perhaps Dark Yomi felt that he was still adhering to the spirit of the instruction by Dark Gaia because he would eventually kill Dark Ark, but instead as Reborn Ark? Of course that leads to another question of why did Dark Yomi felt that he needed to wait? If Dark Yomi killed Dark Ark before Dark Ark made contact with "The Golden Child" what would have happened? Note that the cycle of fate was already broken because Beruga had been resurrected, thus why did Dark Yomi wait until as he puts it "[Ark] finds the Hero"? Dark Gaia was responsible for the physical structure of Dark Ark, if Dark Yomi kills Dark Ark and Dark Gaia does not make another Dark Ark, what type of response does "The Golden Child" or Kumari have? I guess Dark Yomi was trying to be too ambitious and out-maneuvered himself.

Possibly a very interesting point: Between the time when Dark Elle removes herself and Dark Yomi from the plane of existence to save Reborn Ark and opening Dark Side Pandora's Box you cannot enter the Light Side Pandora's Box. What happened to it? I suspect that it has some connection to Dark Yomi and when he was expelled, it ceased to exist or function. Unless there is a very simplistic and not fun solution like Reborn Ark just does not have the Light Side Box anymore and left it in Antarctica when he fused with "The Golden Child".

Of course there are a few confusing issues regarding the separation of Dark Yomi and Light Yomi. For instance, how does Light Yomi know that Reborn Ark is the Hero if it just woke up when the Dark Side Box was opened? In my opinion it is not unreasonable to suggest that Light Yomi, being a steward or aid de camp for Light Gaia, understands the nature of the Dark Side Box in that only the Hero would be able to open it and acquire the Hero's Arms. Therefore, when Reborn Ark opens the box, Light Yomi logically concludes that he is the Hero. This role and understanding by Light Yomi also can clear up another confusing statement, by Light Yomi itself during the Ending. Light Yomi congratulates Ark and likens him in accomplishment to a god, "You did fulfill you duty of creating heaven and earth. So you're what humans would call a god." How would Light Yomi, who did not travel with Dark Ark, know about his accomplishments? Similar to the Hero association, obviously to become the Hero certain tasks need to be undertaken and it would be reasonable to attest that Light Yomi due to his status and role would know of these tasks. Therefore, if Dark Ark was the Hero or part of the Hero [See: Who Really is the Hero] he needed to accomplish these certain tasks, which primarily involve resurrecting and nurturing the world. Note that Light Yomi is likening the accomplishments made by Dark Ark not his actual existence as a god.

The final confusing issue separating the two Yomis comes from Ark himself during the Ending. After Light Yomi makes his God statement, Ark fires back with "You came along with me on my entire journey. You even stood by me and help me on my final battle." Whoa, wait a minute, I just stated that Light Yomi basically participated in about 10% of the journey, why would Dark Ark make this statement? Overall I believe that Dark Ark does not recognize the difference between the internal and external Yomi. Reborn Ark, the Ark one would expect to have the greatest acuity regarding cycles and light/dark entities, states, "I don't understand this external and internal thing…." Therefore, it is reasonable that Dark Ark simply does not regard Light Yomi as any different than Dark Yomi or simply forgets. Assume this explanation is not enough, then what about Light Yomi telling Reborn Ark that it was Dark Yomi that tried to kill him and that he is Light Yomi, "Don't be silly. That was Yomi from inside. I'm this world's Yomi." Of course one could still assume
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continuing from above due to character limitations:

that Yomi is only one being by coming to the, what I would say straw-grasping conclusion, that Yomi is lying in the above statement. However, the counter-question is why would he lie? Also how can Yomi be a neutral or singular being in a world full of internal and external beings which also include the top 'deity' as a being with both an internal and external side [Dark and Light Gaia]? The only way I could agree with Yomi being the only neutral singularity in the Terranigma world would be if it was a being of greater power than either of the Gaias. Unfortunately this theory is flawed because Dark Yomi, before attempting to kill Reborn Ark, states that it is adhering to the order of Dark Gaia/The Elder and its word is absolute. So a being of supposed neutrality and of greater power than either Gaia follows the orders of one of the Gaias? Sorry, but there is no way that makes any logical sense. Also the game basically illustrates that the Gaias are at the top of the spiritual food chain. Thus there really is no evidence that Yomi is only one being instead of two, one Light Side and one Dark Side.

What is the Being in the Box (not Yomi, but that which eventually constitutes itself as the Crystal Spear)?
The being itself talks to Dark Ark about the seal being broken. "I have awaited here for someone who could use me at will. Humans, upon gaining intelligence will learn of my existence. Using me, humans will gain power and expand their world. And time will resolve as it ever has. Like others before you, you have opened this box and met me. Do you have the courage to use me?" Interestingly enough if you say no the spear says "So you are no more than yet another peasant dulled by peace…." So technically what is the Crystal Spear? Dark Yomi reports, after saying yes, "It looks like it took a liking to you." How does Dark Yomi know this entity? Is the Crystal Spear the materialization of the being in weapon form created by Dark Ark's Soul? If so, how can Dark Ark have a soul if he is only a replica of "The Golden Child" [See: Does Dark Ark Have a Soul]?

Also recall that the being's final words are "Then take me in your hands exactly as your soul desires.", which implies that the final form of the essence or being is created by the individual who takes possession of it, thus perhaps the very fact that the being was converted to a spear indicates something about Dark Ark's personality. One could assume that the Crystal Spear, the weapon the being eventually materializes into, is made from Crystal Blue. I cannot agree with this assessment entirely. The weapon itself still functions and exists in the surface world and there is no evidence to demonstrate that Crystal Blue can exist in the surface world, it is certainly not as prevalent in the surface than in the underworld. This interpretation is dependent on how one defines the elements and methodology that constitute a Magirock [See: What is a Magirock]. The Crystal Spear simply loses its ability to heal Dark Ark. One could argue that the Crystal Spear still exists on the surface world because unlike the loosely floating Crystal Blue in the underworld, the Crystal Spear is an extremely dense and concentrated Crystal Blue that can survive the brutality of the surface world environment similar maybe to the bodies of Dark Ark and Dark Elle. I do not buy this reasoning because Dark Gaia reports at the portal that the Crystal Spear only works under the Crystal Blue not with the Crystal Blue. So if the Crystal Spear is Crystal Blue why can it not focus parts of itself to heal Dark Ark's wounds? Of course the healing rate and capacity would not be as fast as it is in the underworld, but it should still exist. Either way, it can be reasonably assumed that the Crystal Spear somehow uses or manipulates Crystal Blue into energy to heal the wounds of its wielder. If this is true then the being that constitutes the Crystal Spear has the ability to manipulate the Crystal Blue.

Returning to the question of what this being actually is or represents. For example the being reports that upon gaining intelligence humans will learn of my existence, but one could argue that because it is next to impossible to support or disprove the existence of a god, a god is used to fill in the gaps involving events and phenomena that cannot be sufficiently explained. Thus the less intelligent a species the more reliant on gods it would be. But one could also argue that it takes some level of intelligence to even conceive or comprehend the very idea of a god. However, a final viewpoint of intelligence may be useful in discussing this situation. Perhaps this being has a different idea of what constitutes intelligence, something far beyond what we humans regard as intelligence, thus humans need to evolve far beyond their current state before understanding this being. Of course the being also reports that "And time will revolve as it ever has" which implies that if a state of hyper-understanding is required, humans have already reached that state at least once before their destruction. Deciphering whether or not the being is a part of a Gaia is difficult because of the elements associated with Pandora's Box. It is probably not Light Gaia because Light Gaia apparently cannot manipulate Crystal Blue. Now the being could be part of Dark Gaia, especially if Dark Gaia had a hand in the creation of the Light Side Pandora's Box, but that does not seem probable. So, although Dark Yomi resides in the Light Side box he does not appear to have any abilities within the box (he comes out of the box to do anything). So it would be reasonable to assume that Dark Gaia would have limited to no influence inside the box as well.

If the being is not a part of either Light or Dark Gaia, then what is it? Well if you take the characterization of the box by Reborn Ark literally (note that Reborn Ark is the only individual I can recall that calls the box, Pandora's Box) then maybe the being represents hope, the last thing left in Pandora's Box, suspending belief for a moment that apparently no real evils left the box when Dark Ark opened it (although one could argue that Dark Yomi is the embodiment of those evils). How probable is it that the being is hope? Revisiting what it says to Dark Ark and analyzing "I have awaited here for someone who could use me at will. [Can one wield hope, probably not, but hope can be utilized by a strong willed individual to rally people]. Humans, upon gaining intelligence will learn of my existence. [It is a little bit of a stretch, but one could reason that hope is a philosophical concept that only an intelligent being can comprehend]. Using me, humans will gain power and expand their world. [This portion of the statement is rather self-explanatory]. And time will resolve as it ever has. [The bearer of hope will battle disharmony and despair like in the past to construct a better world]. Like others before you, you have opened this box and met me. Do you have the courage to use me?" [Again rather simple when related back to the cycles of time and fate, seals and the typical battle between hope and despair]. So although it is not mentioned it could be possible that the being, which later materializes into the Crystal Spear, represents hope.

Why Drives Beruga to become an Ally of Dark Gaia?
I believe it happens after the first appearance of the Asmodeus Virus and before the surface world was sealed. From the computer records Beruga appears to be a great scientist and a potential humanitarian before the virus strikes (there is no information to indicate that Beruga originally designed this virus and if he had there would have been no reason for him to enter a cryogenic state because he would have had complete control over its instrumentation, so the virus is probably initially naturally occurring). I doubt that Asmodeus was created by Dark Gaia because the Gaias seem not to be able to directly interact with the opposite world. Therefore, any deaths are random. Although Dark Gaia can use Asmodeus to achieve its goal, at the onset Asmodeus seems to be just an indiscriminate killing device. The emergence of Asmodeus might be the first break in the loop of fate and the emergence of a man that can manipulate it may be the second. Beruga is even able to create a vaccine that is 80% effective. Unfortunately by the time the vaccine is developed a vast amount of people have already died. In lieu of these events, it would be difficult for a man like Beruga to not begin to evaluate the worth of a human life. I would not be surprised, if amid all of this death, he began to classify certain people as worthless and certain people as useful. Such a characterization is not a far cry from eugenics. Now that the eugenics seed has been planted, it would not be inconceivable to theorize that soon after this occurrence Dark Gaia or a Dark Gaia associate contacted Beruga about a possible allegiance with Dark Gaia to usher in Beruga's 'perfect world'. Beruga references Dark Gaia so it is difficult to conclude that it is just a coincidence that Beruga's eugenics plan coincides with Dark Gaia's motivation without any contact. The initial portion of the plan involved the selective distribution of the vaccine to the remaining key people in the populous (due to conveniently insufficient production), but I suspect that so many people had already died that the distribution and development conduits for food and water had become severely depressed if not completely destroyed, thus even though some key people could survive they would end up starving to death, a fact noted by Beruga's computer. The fact that starvation existed disallowed completely breaking the role of Light Gaia.

Also just four quick notes: Note 1: Beruga was not supposed to kill Dark Ark. Dark Ark died because Beruga's re-programmed robots thought that Dark Ark was a threat to Beruga. Dark Ark was supposed to be killed by Dark Yomi per Dark Gaia's instructions. Note 2: Asmodeus is probably initially a naturally occurring virus; however, as virologist know the construction of a vaccine typically requires the use of the actual virus, thus in the process of making the vaccine Beruga would collect samples of Asmodeus and be able to convert it into a viral weapon. Such a reference is made by Meihou: "… It appears a virus weapon called Asmodeus was used." Note 3: Remember Asmodeus did have a 90% fatality rate, but it may be jumping the gun to assume that Asmodeus destroyed 90% of the surface world population just because it has a 90% fatality rate without knowing a fast it spread and how fast it killed although based on Beruga's commentary Asmodeus must have caused some sever damage. Note 4: You could consider that Asmodeus may have mutagenic effects on non-human life forms because so little is known about how it functions and kills.
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Who is Dark Elle and What is Her Fate?
Dark Elle might be one of the more unusual characters in the game, especially when trying to characterize her reason for existence. One nagging question is in regards to her very existence, as she does not seem to serve a beneficial role to Dark Gaia, thus why create her? Unlike the other citizens of Crysta, Dark Elle has a significant role in foiling its plans and more than likely bolstering character development of Dark Ark. Personally I do not believe that Dark Elle was created to develop some form of motivational emotional crutch for Dark Ark because as stated earlier at no point in the first chapter does the Elder or Dark Elle state that Dark Ark needs to journey to the surface world and resurrect life there for the sake of Crysta or the sake of Dark Elle. Instead Dark Ark goes primarily because the Elder tells him to and because of a feeling inside him that something is waiting for him. Also based on one's analysis of the life of "The Golden Child" there may be no inherent emotional connection between Dark Ark and Dark Elle due to a previous connection between "The Golden Child" and Light Elle. So why does she exist?

One possibility may be that the existence of Dark Elle is related to Dark Gaia, but not part of the overall plan. When Dark Gaia was removed from its seal Dark Elle was one byproduct of this unsealing process because of how the unsealing occurred [See: What the Heck is Happening at Astarica]. Of course the details of such a creation are suspect in how does a Crystal Blue copy of Dark Elle emanate from this type of unsealing process? Another possibility maybe intertwined existence, something that was pointed out by the twin girls in Crysta, in that when Dark Ark was created Dark Elle needed to be created as well. In addition to questions about her physical creation, there are questions regarding her soul. Dark Elle is different from the normal citizens of Crysta and she is also different from Dark Ark. These differences would indicate that there could be a possibility for difference in soul acquisition and/or retention. So does Dark Elle have a soul? At the beginning of the game it is unclear, but near the end of her existence I believe she does have one. [See: How Does Dark Elle Stop Dark Yomi].

An interesting theory about the physical creation of Dark Elle could be directly related to the accumulation of Crystal Blue in the underworld [See: What is Crystal Blue]. Early on it seems logical to conclude that Crystal Blue is some form of modeling energy that Dark Gaia can mold into various replicas. But consider for a moment that this is not the truth. What if, Dark Gaia does not have completely control over what the Crystal Blue becomes? Perhaps certain elements of Crystal Blue upon arriving at the underworld already have a pre-destined fate to become a certain element of the underworld whether it be a replica of someone on the surface world or a lava flow etc. Thus Dark Elle was created not by the hands of Dark Gaia, but a unique series of events that caused the her Crystal Blue construct to behave differently possibility due to the events in Astarica.

Regardless of where she comes from it is clear the Dark Elle cares very deeply for Dark Ark, such feelings that more than likely can be classified as love. However, how deep are these feelings because in chapter 4 a darker part of Dark Elle's character emerges. If Light Elle does not show up, Dark Elle will kill Reborn Ark when he is a baby. She apologizes prior to action, which implies a negative action, "Ark Forgive me…." What does this mean? Does Dark Elle violate her feelings towards Ark in favor of following Dark Gaia's orders? Is this not basically the same person in which she prayed to whatever god she believes in to protect this person earlier in the game. Can we conclude that Dark Elle is a utilitarian as she values the safety of Crysta over the life of her best friend/possible true love/soul mate? Why then does Dark Elle walk away after the awakening? Is it that Dark Elle was only killing a baby Ark something she could handle, but now having to kill a more recognizable Ark, she cannot do it? Or does she not believe that she has enough power to kill an awakened fully-grown hero? Unfortunately Dark Yomi interrupts before she can give an explanation. Personally I prefer to hold the belief that once Dark Elle learned the true identity of the Elder, she understood that she could not cooperate even if it meant the destruction of Crysta. Does this mean that Dark Elle has a soul and free will as well? Her actions both not to kill Reborn Ark and prevent Dark Yomi from doing the same seems to indicate that she does. Another interesting question would be if Dark Elle is simply Crystal Blue why does Dark Gaia not kill her when she disobeys it? Can Dark Gaia only give shape to Crystal Blue when it is without some form and is unable to remove such form? Or can Dark Gaia's influence not reach the surface world [See: Dark Gaia and Seals]? Based on my understanding of Dark Gaia's powers it would not be able to do anything to an individual on the surface even if that creature is Crystal Blue, thus stopping Dark Elle is not a possibility.

Interesting Side Point: Dark Yomi states "At least Ark won't have the courage to kill his friend." Dark Yomi is rather perceptive, so if he comes to the conclusion that Ark does not love Elle, instead considers her a friend can this be believed? Actually I think that Dark Yomi may be a little off here because Dark Ark more than likely loves Dark Elle because when Dark Elle is weaving her cape Dark Ark can say to her that he will not go far away because although the world is huge, "… I love this village because Elle lives here. I'm not leaving." Of course due to plot considerations this turns out to be a lie, but that should not diminish its meaning. In addition the events that take place at Corcobad Hill and Reborn Ark's words after Dark Elle's death also seem to indicate similar feelings.

Where does Dark Elle come from in the Ending? Remember Dark Elle makes herself disappear to prevent Dark Yomi from killing Reborn Ark. So where does the ending Dark Elle come from? How genuine this Elle is, is something to be questioned because when Dark Ark sleeps the Elle vision talks as if she is no longer in Crysta. She understands that Crysta will soon disappear as well. With Dark Gaia gone, the Crysta that now exists is more than likely created by Light Gaia, but Light Gaia probably cannot actively influence Crystal Blue seeing that it is an underworld phenomena. Thus, the Dark Elle that exists in Crysta and states happiness is living free of stress may be a lingering copy of the previous Dark Elle with no real capacity for original thought. She also states that if we are bound by fate then we will meet again someday. This statement could be sad because we all know that Dark Ark exists outside of the loop of fate, therefore, the probability that Elle and Ark meet again is not absolute, and probably is not that likely unless a new fate was written for Dark Ark because he fused with "The Golden Child".

How Does Dark Elle Stop Dark Yomi?
This is a very interesting question because Dark Elle is more than likely a lot weaker than Dark Yomi at least it initially seems that way. It is true that Dark Elle is created from Crystal Blue and Crystal Blue can be regarded as a form of energy, but in my mind I do not believe that Dark Elle can releases her own energy to destroy Dark Yomi, at least not under normal conditions. The game makes no mention that Dark Elle even realizes that she is made from Crystal Blue during her life, let alone that she knows how to manipulate Crystal Blue into that type of an attack. Also Dark Elle is still present after the 'destruction portal' appears below both her and Dark Yomi, so she obviously has not released all of her energy and I would assume it takes a considerable amount of Crystal Blue for her to retain her form. Finally we technically do not know what Dark Yomi really is, but if he is also made of Crystal Blue, smart money says that he should have a better understanding of how to manipulate Crystal Blue and counter Dark Elle's assault. Even if he is not derived from Crystal Blue he should clearly be more powerful and knowledgeable than Dark Elle regarding Crystal Blue. Also Dark Elle does not demonstrate any real power in the game, as far as we know her only ability appears to be with her embroidering/weaving.

In addition I cannot concluded that Dark Elle somehow reflects the attack of Dark Yomi because Dark Yomi has yet to launch his attack, he is still considering his available options in regards to terminating Ark when Dark Elle acts. So how does Dark Elle do it? I believe the best response is an emotional power-up. This type of event does seem common in movies, television and video games where an individual reacts to a situation in which one or more people he/she cares about are in danger with a dramatic surge in overall power and ability. One could also argue that she received a soul at this point "Pablo Narudo" style. With the potential death of Reborn Ark, she has a greater motivation to fight. The attack itself is remarkably similar to the attack utilized by Astarica Elle against Fyla and Roy, is this just the game being lazy or is there some significance to this attack form? Can Dark Elle use this attack only because of her ties to Astarica?

What about Light Elle?
Light Elle seems to be the most tragic figure in the game. Just look at what she had to go through that we can be sure of - first her entire village was slaughtered including her parents. Second, she was then basically kidnapped and forcefully held, possibly tortured, in effort to discover the location of the Hero's Arms. Third, the potential exists where she would be forced into an arranged marriage, although King Henri would have probably killed both her and the eventual suitor. When Dark Ark first meets her, she has no reason to trust anyone and no reason to hope yet she still perseveres on what can only be regarded as her sense of duty to protect the Hero's Arms. Despite all she went through, she could have easily given up the location of the Hero's Arms, but she understood her role just as her parents did and kept her mouth shut. Dark Elle never had to go through any of this despair in the time Dark Ark knew her, so it is understandable that she is so introverted when Dark Ark first makes contact with her and he comments on her inner strength, despite her annoyance. One can also forgive her murder of King Henri. So she kills the individual that keeps her captive against her will and threatened her life, that sounds like a justifiable homicide in my mind. Fyda is no help because she is torn by her loyalties to King Henri and her vow to Light Elle's parents, so Fyda is not a viable candidate to kill King Henri and Light Elle knows this because if Fyda would have killed him earlier. So the only way she can gain her freedom back is to remove the obstacle to that freedom.

After all of this Light Elle finally finds someone she can trust and love in Ark (whether it is Dark Ark, "The Golden Child" or Reborn Ark is up for debate) illustrated in her 'I will wait here for you forever' statement and her actions at Dragoon Castle. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing if the Ark she loved even returned to her, thus once again she could end up alone and broken.

Do Crystians Have Souls?
Although not that important to the plot, it may still be worth it to ask the question of whether or not Crystians that are not Ark or Elle have souls? The fact that Dark Gaia took the form of an old man acting as Elder of Crysta lends credence to the consideration that Crysta citizens are not mere puppets that it can control because it elects to create an artificial human form in order to guide and influence the behavior of those in Crysta. Of course this entire strategy may simply be a show for Dark Ark to further elaborate the 'illusion' of reality in Crysta suppressing any unnecessary questions from Dark Ark. Even if it is more of a ploy than a genuine need to provide direction, it does not detract from probability that Crysta citizens have some sense of free will and also maybe a 'soul'. However, the problem of a soul for the citizens involves how can Dark Gaia create 'real' souls? Also if you concluded that they have 'real' souls the replicas cannot be modeled off of the citizens of Storkholm because the souls of those citizens have already entered the reincarnation process and came back as wolves and after taking the Hero's Arms, the wolves vanish, job done and re-enter the reincarnation process. Overall based on the statements made by certain Crystians I do not believe that they are based on the citizens of Storkholm, the structure and layout of Crysta only appears based on Storkholm. Instead they seem to be internal portions of external citizen scattered throughout the surface world.

If the citizens of Crysta do not have 'real' souls, what exactly happens when Pandora's Box is opened? Remember it is alluded to that their souls have been incorporated into monsters, thus how do these events transpire? Two possibilities, the souls could be artificial souls constructed out of Crystal Blue just like their bodies or Dark Gaia is manipulating the whole thing.

Dreams of Crystians:
Dreams seems to play an important role in some of the events in Crysta and offer clues to the origins of these people because at the beginning of the game some of the citizens of Crysta seem to be able to anticipate future events and recall past events in dreams. I can think of three possibilities to explain these residual memories and dreams. First, each Crystian may have the internal portion of the soul of the same person on the surface world and that connection induces the odd dream about the same person on the surface world. The problem with this explanation is how did Dark Gaia get its hands on the internal portion of the soul unless the person participated in the ceremony in Astarica or some other spiritual rite [See: What the Heck Happened at Astarica]. Is a soul naturally divided between the two worlds? Second, Crysta does exist in some type of Groundhog-Day loop and the citizens are simply having déjà vu type experiences. One advantage to this theory is the girl that predicts in the future that the citizens will turn to ice. One disadvantage to this theory is it is difficult to comprehend why Crysta would be looping in such a way? Maybe Dark Gaia is trying different constructs of Crysta to find a situation where Dark Ark would retrieve the box? Third, the memories stem from the fact that the Crystal Blue utilized to form each replica was the residual energy that formed when the light side person was born [See: What is Crystal Blue]. This explanation better deals with the problem possessed by option one, but forms its own problem with how does this residual energy record events that have yet to happen? Maybe it is a combination of two and three.

One interesting question seems to be what nightmare was Dark Ark having at the beginning of the game? Dark Ark's initial dream is a nightmare because he predicts the disappearance of Crysta, but he does not understand the significance of its disappearance. However, his secondary dream is more detailed, corresponding to his role in the events that lead to the disappearance of Crysta and with a better understanding of the destruction of Crysta he can come to better grips with his fate. Thus, in the finale his nightmare is replaced by a good dream involving him watching the further progress of the world as a bird. Another possibility to the dream may be the death of "The Golden Child" and his new found existence.

What the Heck is Happening at Astarica?
This question is easily one of the most difficult questions in the entire game, which in some sense is also somewhat ironic because of its small role in the game plot, but potential large role in overall plot. The biggest problem with explaining this scene is the fragmented continuity.

What I believe is really happening in Astarica is directly related to Dark Gaia and the death of "The Golden Child". One issue that is never honestly addressed is the significance of sealing Dark Gaia in the cycle of time and fate [See: Dark Gaia and Seals]. For instance when Dark Gaia is sealed at the end of the game Light Gaia reports that the underworld will vanish as a result. If the underworld vanishes what really happens to Dark Gaia and how does Dark Gaia return? One would regard the return of Dark Gaia as necessary for the balance of the world. The ceremony at Astarica may play a role in the unsealing or revival of Dark Gaia. For simplicity it is best to divide the events of Astarica into two parts, the interaction between Astarica Elle and Fyla and Roy and the interaction between Astarica Elle and the particular Ark.

Starting from the beginning Meila reports that the ceremony at Astarica occurs annually where the correct goblet creates a deity and the wrong goblet brings death. The methodology of why one has to wait a year if the wrong goblet is selected will not be analyzed because it is of little relevance overall and honestly I cannot think of how to explain it. The dynamics of the ceremony do not make much sense either as looking at the drink itself, all of the goblets appear to collect night dew, but only one bestows the drinker with divinity. Hmm, me thinks there are some outside circumstances that really dictate the results of the ceremony. I want to say that goblet selection really is meaningless as either all of the goblets would provide divinity or none of them would based on other outside circumstances because there is no reason to concluded that one goblet's night dew is any more divine than another's. Meila also never discusses which god the drinker may become closer to or become altogether. At Astarica are there a limited number of gods or can any number exist? If there are a limited number for the drinker to become one particular god must that god not exist any longer? I would answer yes to the last question and I do not know to the first, but will assume a limited number. Therefore, is divinity randomly assigned if a drinker is worthy or is it assigned based on the character of the drinker and godhood availability? Assuming the latter to the last question, let us turn our attentions to Astarica Elle. Astarica Elle clearly does not want to participated in the ceremony as Fyla describes how she wailed as Fyla took her to the back of the alter. Thus it seems that the drinker is almost chosen at random seeing how unprepared and emotional Elle was when starting the ceremony. This wailing Astarica Elle later becomes a rather vengeful deity and proceeds to execute Fyla and Roy while espousing about the frailties and meaninglessness of human existence. Therefore, the negativity and anguish that Astarica Elle took into the ceremony seems to have constituted itself in making her a similar type of god.

Now the real question, is this Astarica Elle just some run of the mill god or Dark Gaia? As foreshadowed in the beginning of this section I believe it is the resurrection of Dark Gaia. How can I come to this conclusion? First, [See: Dark Gaia and Seals] for more information and theories regarding the type and duration of the seal, in essence the beginning portion of Dark Gaia's journey back. Second, when Dark Gaia is sealed the underworld vanishes, thus any creation of a new Dark Gaia or revival of an old one needs to occur on the surface world and Astarica seems to be a prime location for such an event. Third, Meila himself refers to the ceremony as creating a god, now it may be difficult to take this statement at face value because of how ceremonies of this nature are typically characterized, but the fact is that Astarica Elle does gain some extreme levels of god-like power. Fourth, whether or not Meila and others in Astarica believe in a multitude of gods, in the Terranigma universe there are only three beings that can be considered gods, Kumari, Light Gaia and Dark Gaia and the divinity of Kumari on the god hierarchy is minor and Light Gaia obviously still exists because the surface world still exists, so the only possibility is Dark Gaia. Fifth, as previously mentioned Astarica Elle did not elect to create life, but instead destroy it and claimed that she would destroy all human life, thus if she is indeed a god she is Dark Gaia.

Now what about the appearance of Astarica Ark, how is he relevant? It is my belief that Astarica Ark is indeed "The Golden Child" after first sealing Dark Gaia. The reason Astarica Ark is "The Golden Child" under my theory is pretty obvious as any Dark Ark would already have been reduced to Crystal Blue bubble form. So, what is the result of "The Golden Child" consuming the contents of the goblet? Overall based on his physical reaction and the Astarica Elle's verbal reaction he probably dies, but how this occurs is unclear because night dew based on the principles of the ritual should not kill instantly because there is no evidence of the dew being toxic. I do not believe it has anything to do with worthiness or not, "The Golden Child" is responsible for sealing at least one Dark Gaia, so to claim he is unworthy of the ceremony based on his deeds or character seems foolhardy. Instead as stated above if there are no available god roles then the drinker will die instead of become divine. Since both Light and Dark Gaia are unsealed at the time and Kumari exists when he consumed the dew, the only outcome is death. Why did he consume the dew? It appears that "The Golden Child" is in a difficult predicament as one could suspect that this Dark Gaia is more powerful than he is, especially if you believe that only Reborn Ark can seal Dark Gaia, so death through drinking the dew seems to be a better option than being wiped out by Dark Gaia. I would image that he knows what would happen to his soul if the death is known, but if he were to die at the hands of Dark Gaia who knows what would happen to him. So what happens when he dies? I believe that his soul returns to sealment at The Grave at Time's End, but depending on your interpretation of Dark Ark's soul, it may not have occurred before Dark Gaia had a chance to copy it. What can be said of Astarica Elle inviting "The Golden Child" to drink from a goblet? Astarica Elle may not realize the complex nature of "The Golden Child" and simply believes that this Ark will die either way and prefers to do it via the goblet. That interpretation depends on whether or not you believe that Dark Gaia is a single continuous entity (the next one know everything the previous ones knew) or if each Dark Gaia is a separate independent entity. The former is probably correct based on Dark Gaia's comments during the final battle and Dark Gaia still views "The Golden Child" as just Light Ark.

One problem with this theory may come from the very existence of Meila. A women is Lhasa reports that Meihou has studied under the previous Kumari, thus it can be ventured that Meihou is rather old, so what amount of time separates the time from the events at Astarica, the rebirth of Meila as Meihou (assuming Meila is Meihou in a past life), the death of the Kumari that Meihou trained under, the rebirth of Kumari and the surface world being sealed? Of course this timing problem exists for almost all theories involving Astarica, so it does not bother me that much. Also it can be explained if you view the events at Astarica as not occurring during the last cycle, but during the very first cycle. Another problem could be where does the Light Elle that Dark Ark meet come from? Dark Gaia admits that it does not have real form, therefore, its rebirth only involves/requires the internal portion of Light Elle's soul, thus the external portion of Light Elle's soul is displaced and reborn as Light Elle in Storkholm. Note: Regarding the question about the existence of Dark Gaia in the surface world and how this could happen. I believe that when Dark Gaia is reborn/unsealed its existence in the surface world is ephemeral, similar to Crysta's existence during the Ending, before Dark Gaia retreats to the underworld.

Finally although there is no way to support or disprove it I wonder what would happen if a good person drank the dew when only Dark Gaia was sealed? Basically in my opinion you can look at Astarica in the same vein as the towers in the underworld as the jumping off point for resurrecting/unsealing a Gaia.

Side Note: Did you know that if you go back to the original room in the vision after Elle kills Roy and Fyla you can obtain the Astarica Starstone before awakening from the vision.

Does Dark Ark Have a Soul?
This question might be the hardest question of the whole lot. A funny thing about this question is that it is not relevant from an actual game play and plot perspective, but very relevant when regarding the fate of Dark Ark and the overall philosophy of the game itself. Initially it seems reasonable to assume that Dark Ark does not have what could be constituted as a 'real' soul because in some context he was never born instead he was made out of Crystal Blue by Dark Gaia. In my mind Dark Gaia at the moment when Crysta is constructed does not have the functional capacity to create genuine beings and their souls, assuming that is the one avenue in which souls can arise, because the role of Dark Gaia is that of the destroyer not the creator. Dark Gaia may have the ability to create 'artificial' souls to possibly govern free will (this of course depends on your personal view point regarding souls and free will in actual humans), but it is difficult to reason that these 'artificial' souls would allow the citizens of Crysta to enter the process of reincarnation [See: Do Crystians Have Souls]. The answer regarding typical inhabitants of Crysta is easier than Dark Ark and Dark Elle because those individuals do not appear to be cut from exactly the same cloth. Although Dark Ark is made from Crystal Blue, his interaction with the being in the box, who directly intimates Dark Ark has a soul, detracts from the prospect that his soul is artificial [See: What is the Being Inside the Box]. So for the moment let us assume that Dark Ark does indeed have what can be characterized as a 'real' soul. Where did it come from and why was it not influenced by Pandora's Box? Addressing the second question first, there are two possible reasons for this turn of events. First, by claiming the box Dark Ark gains some level of immunity to its effects, thus his soul is not extracted. Second, as discussed in [It is a Box, no it is Pandora's Box] the entire 'soul' draining incident is a ploy perpetrated by Dark Gaia and because Dark Ark is in essence 'the mark' and extracting his soul would not be wise and perhaps Dark Gaia might not even be able to even if desired because Dark Ark's soul is 'real'.

Now addressing the events leading up to Dark Ark acquiring his 'real' soul. Like most of the somewhat mysterious events in the game I believe part of the answer can be found in Astarica. Astarica Ark: "For an instant, your face looked like a demon's. A person is said to have two faces, the external and internal [definitely "The Golden Child" because Dark Ark does not know this] selves. Maybe that sacred goblet's water just awakens the internal soul…." "The Golden Child" makes this statement in regards to the apparent transformation of Astarica Elle to Dark Gaia [See: What the Heck is Happening at Astarica]. Interestingly enough this statement may have more significance in the context of the structure and spirituality of "The Golden Child". If this statement is true, when "The Golden Child" drinks the dew from the goblet it could awaken Dark Ark's soul in him. Note there is not reason to believe that the dew does not awaken the internal soul regardless of god ascension or death is the result. If this is correct then what happens to the soul? It is possible that it is transferred to Dark Ark in Crysta. Of course this interpretation depends on your viewpoint regarding the structure and content of the underworld and when Dark Ark exactly was created. One could assume that when the underworld vanishes it is not destroyed, but similar to the surface world simply enters a period of stasis, so when Astarica Elle became Dark Gaia, the underworld was unsealed just as it was before Dark Gaia was originally defeated. Therefore, "The Golden Child" drinking the dew at Astarica had much more to do with planning for the future than anything else because if "The Golden Child" at that point had the entire soul of the hero, would death due to Dark Gaia only allow the external portion to retreat to Antarctica? Although we do not know that much about "The Golden Child" from a character and personality perspective, Dark Ark, his internal Crystal Blue replica does appear to be somewhat of a standup guy in most situations so awakening his internal soul is not necessarily a bad thing. [See: Who is Ark as a Person].

A final interesting question to the creation of this soul would be is Dark Ark's soul responsible for him belonging to nothing and breaking him from loop of fate? I believe yes and this could illustrate who really is the hero. For example: Light Ark is born with both an external and internal soul which makes him special and allows him to first seal Dark Gaia. In the confrontation with Astarica Elle Light Ark, now "The Golden Child", realizes that if he is killed there will be no one to stop Dark Gaia, so he drinks the dew separating the 'Hero's' soul into internal and external parts. When Dark Ark meets "The Golden Child" at Antarctica the 'Hero's' soul is fused back into one Dark Ark's internal half and "The Golden Child's" external half recreating the Hero.

What are Magirocks Exactly?
Magirock Dealer in Crysta: "Magirock is a stone that seals magic inside. Not just once, but for many times, Magirock stores magic spells. Consider it a bottle for keeping magic sealed." If memory serves that is basically all of the information that you receive about Magirocks in the entire game from the game itself. Therefore, this is a lot to speculate regarding the structure and origins of the Magirock. First, the Magirock is blue combined with its original name of pure/prime blue based on who you talk to one could assume that the Magirock could be a very pure and concentrated form of crystal blue.

What evidence can be use to support this notion? First, in the gem box the Magirock picture is labeled as 'primer'. Also most of the magic in Terranigma is matter based and Crystal Blue can be regarded as an energy source that can be converted to various forms of matter. The pure state of the Crystal Blue can also be regarded in the sense of an undifferentiated stem cell in that it can be converted to various magical matter states, the reason behind why the Magirock dealers can make various types of magic rings and pins out of a single Magirock.

Of course this portion of the analysis could be interpreted differently in that a Magirock is simply a storage vessel that contains multiple forms of magic giving a single generic stone the ability to make multiple types of rings/pins. There is no evidence to indicate that only the same magic type can exist in a single stone. This thought equates the statement "…just once, but for many times…" and its construct is not derived of Crystal Blue. When the stored magic is extracted the Magirock becomes useless because Ark does not know how to 'refill' it with magic, thus it is now just a storage container. Therefore, the first question is do you believe that the Magirock is actually converted into the magic ring/pin or the Magirock simply stores the energy used to create the magic ring/pin. Personally it is difficult to believe the Magirock is convertible because it is considered a stone, thus its energy has already been utilized to form the physical structure of a stone. Thus the energy used to form the stone and the energy used to create the stored magic ring/pin are different, although they may be derived from the same source pool. Note: We have not currently supported or disproved that this energy is Crystal Blue. Secondary Note: The Magirock dealer does not report that the magic is infinite, which of course makes sense because even Terranigma tries to follow the laws of thermodynamics and the second law of thermodynamics reports that you cannot break even; therefore, the energy utilized to create magic is not utilized at 100% efficiency, so only a limited amount can be stored and the storage duration is also not infinite.

If the above belief is true it does not eliminate the possibility that the stone is made utilizing Crystal Blue. Let us assume that Magirock is a form of Crystal Blue. If this is true then the existence of Magirocks must 'follow the rules' that seem to exist with Crystal Blue. If Magirock is Crystal Blue, then does that mean that Crystal Blue can exist on the surface world because Magirock is available on the surface world? As previously discussed in [What is Crystal Blue?] the surface world does not have any trace of non-Magirock based Crystal Blue, so how do Magirocks exist? Is this just a plot device, you cannot only allow 11 copies or 100 copies of Magirock to be available in the first Chapter if you want a realistic magic system. Another possibility could be that if Magirock is indeed made from concentrated and pure Crystal Blue perhaps it is enough for it to exist in the surface world where dilute and scattered Crystal Blue (that which is commonly seen in Crysta) cannot exist.

What is the real nature of Crystal Blue as during the final day that Dark Ark gets to stay in Crysta the Magirock Dealer and his shop no longer exist and a Magirock is unknown to the shop owner. What happened to the Magirock, what changed in the world? The only significant event is Dark Gaia being sealed. Therefore, the existence of Magirocks must be tied strongly to Dark Gaia. However, the scattered and diluted Crystal Blue is still in the Crysta environment. What does this mean, how can one reconcile one form of Crystal Blue still existing and another form of Crystal Blue no longer in existence when faced with only a single significant event? One logical solution I can think of is that the ability to form a Magirock involves a tremendous amount of focus and control over Crystal Blue, something that only Dark Gaia can successfully accomplish. Without Dark Gaia no new Magirock can be constructed to store existing magic essence and currently existing Magirock cease to exist. Sealing Dark Gaia can also explain the disappearance of the dealers and I guess very few people if anyone other than Ark actually visited the dealer thus no one remembers them.

Another solution may be that Magirocks are naturally occurring structures that are derived from the balance between the two Gaias. The available magic can be divided into two classifications, the rings are generally destructive forms of magic (more indicative of Dark Gaia) and the pins tend to be more curative/creationist forms of magic (more indicative of Light Gaia). So the Magirocks act as a symbolic storage medium for energy that can be representative of Dark Gaia or Light Gaia. Magirocks cease to exist in the post-Dark Gaia is sealed world because of the lack of a Dark Gaia, thus the dichotomy of the energy inside of the Magirock is broken.

What is the Role of the Ra Tree and its Brethren?
Basically I look at the Ra Tree having a similar role in the lives of plants as that of a chaperon protein in biochemistry. Chaperon proteins are required in some instances to facilitate certain protein folding, thus some proteins can only be formed properly if these specific chaperons exist. The Ra Tree acts in the same context. Every culture that believes in reincarnation does not believe that the process of reincarnation is capricious, but instead has a reasonable and logical progression based on certain rules or beliefs. If the key for plants to exist does not exist or is not functioning properly then nothing can be resurrected as a plant because there is nothing to 'guide' the entity to become a plant. Any entity that may control reincarnation would understand that creating plants is not possible without the proper conditions, in this case a healthy Ra Tree. Now why do plants still exist in Ra? The best answer to that question could be the fact that deep underground the environment is still able to support the plants that were created before the Ra Tree was poisoned, before the surface world was sealed. Deep underground in the Ra Tree water and energy sources are still available unlike the current environment on the surface. Therefore, the plants on the surface that died after the Ra Tree was poisoned returned as something else other than a plant and nothing else ever became a plant, but deep inside the Ra Tree some plants have yet to die. Finally the loss of Ra Tree also removes the base level in the hierarchical existence of all other animals (Dark Ark basically says as much when he states in Zue that rain is needed to grow grass so the animals in the savanna can return, the grass would not exist without Ra Tree) possibly explaining why the land is so barren upon Dark Ark emerging in the surface world.

That raps up this section of the analysis. Until next time when I will tackle the overall cycles, the 5 towers, the guardian, monsters and various relationships, at least that is what I hope to do.
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That is a very long read. I'll will probably go through it one day when I have some time. You seemed to have put a lot of work into it. Well done.
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You know, you could always put your text in a document, host it and then link to it. Razz

You should have, you know, just posted a small bit first so the readers won't think it's too much to take in. Posts are meant to be read.
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Joan-Michele wrote:
You know, you could always put your text in a document, host it and then link to it. Razz

You should have, you know, just posted a small bit first so the readers won't think it's too much to take in. Posts are meant to be read.


Soulblazerfan and Jason Tandro posted their stories the same way, and some of them surpass Emeth's texts lengh. I'd say it's o.k. to post his text this way.

And *wow* @ Emeth for putting that much efford into it! Thats what I call dedication!
Gonna start reading rigth now!
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There were two driving motivations to post all at once instead of small bits at a time. First, as previously noted a lot of my analysis is interconnected and I felt it best that all of the analysis so far was available to the reader to limit the number of questions and gaps when reading. Second, I wanted to try to ensure discussion because if I posted a small portion of the analysis and no one found it interesting then no one would respond and it may take months before any meaningful discussion would come out of this thread.

With the essential pieces of information established above here are two more interesting issues in the game.

The Faces of Disharmony:
Who are Dark Gaia's allies on the surface? Clearly it is rather obvious who most of them are to anyone who has played the game all the way through; however, for the sake of the analysis let us start from scratch. The best clue is the poem in Sylvain. "I met four men. The first man had clear blue eyes. The second man was an oriental with impressive deep black pupils. The third man had eyes that burned with a passion. The last man had a brown false eye. I decided to show them to the special room." So from this poem who is who? The first man is more than likely King Henri and the second man has got to be Wong, but who are the third and fourth men? It can be reasoned that the third man, eyes burning with passion, is Beruga as his eyes would emulate his drive to create his desired world, but there is no direct proof to conclude this man represents Beruga, but it is difficult to conclude otherwise. Suppose that the third man is indeed Beruga then who is the fourth man, the last man had a brown false eye? If my memory serves you do not meet an individual in the game that has a false eye, so unfortunately the answer is not clear and obvious. One interesting question is how do King Henri, Wong, the Queen of Sylvain and even Beruga come to ally with Dark Gaia? Clearly there needed to be an intermediate to negotiate the partnership as Dark Gaia is unable to travel to the surface world by itself. So perhaps this fourth man is the individual that brokers the partnership between these four surface world individuals and Dark Gaia. If this reasoning is correct, who could this associate of Dark Gaia be? There are only two options in my opinion, for Dark Gaia only seems to have two other allies outside of Beruga, Wong, King Henri and Queen of Sylvain

The first would be Dark Yomi, but there are some problems with him being the intermediate. First, Dark Yomi seems to primarily exist in Pandora's Box, coming out rarely to interact with Dark Ark, so for Dark Yomi to leave Pandora's Box to organize an alliance on the surface for Dark Gaia seems somewhat unlikely, but there is precedence for Dark Yomi existing out of the box (the interaction and incident with Reborn Ark). Second, if Dark Yomi arranged the alliance then the fourth man's description would be radically different. The second being that could arrange this alliance would be the Guardian. Now I have not discussed the Guardian (that will be later hopefully), but it is not outside the realm of possibility. We, the player, never see the eyes of the Guardian as they are hidden under the helmet it wears. Second, there is not reason to suggest that the Guardian cannot move between the surface world and the underworld. The counter argument if this statement is true is why wait for Dark Ark to open Pandora's Box why doesn't Dark Gaia just send the Guardian to revive the world. It is true that the Guardian appears to have some sway over monsters, it does not appear that it can destroy them, an action essential to the revival of the world, so the Guardian although able to travel between the surface world and underworld may not be able to revive the surface world. Even if it could revive the surface world the question is moot because the world and humans are revived when the pact is made so no revival is needed. So it is my contention that the last man that had a brown false eye is the Guardian.

What is the Relationship Between Storkholm and "The Golden Child"?
The immediate reaction is that Storkholm is the hometown of the "The Golden Child". However, this conclusion is heavily based on assumptions around that single, albeit key, point in the game that I wonder if has ever been analyzed. It is natural to assume that because Dark Ark lives in Crysta and because both Dark Ark and Crysta are replicas from the surface world created by Dark Gaia that "The Golden Child" must have lived in Storkholm. However, there are certain things that I would expect to occur if this were true? First, Light Elle does not recognize Dark Ark. If "The Golden Child" lived in Storkholm why does Light Elle not recognize him or at least think that he looks familiar? One answer could be that she is still in shock from the massacre and is confused to why someone that looks like her Ark, I assume in her eyes her Ark, if he did live there, vanished as I do not believe King Henri killed him [he died in Astarica], is standing in front of her. However, Light Elle never seems to reveal any recognition or familiarity of Dark Ark throughout the entire game. Second, although it may not be expected there are no memory sequences that occur after Reborn Ark, of whom "The Golden Child" is a part of, emerges from the completed fusion process while still in Storkholm.

If "The Golden Child" does not reside in Storkholm, two questions arise. First, where does he live? Overall there is not enough information to draw any meaningful conclusion to answer this question although if I were to hazard a guess it would be Lhasa. Second, why would Dark Gaia choose to replicate Storkholm if it is not the hometown of "The Golden Child", what is special about Storkholm that it is the selected target. It is not clear if the Hero's Arms are contained within Storkholm before Dark Gaia elects to replicate it. Based on certain game text it appears that Dark Gaia did voluntarily elect to create Crysta to resemble Storkholm, so it was not a memory Crystal Blue creation. This statement leads to the question of how does Dark Gaia even know of Storkholm's existence? Any answer to this question largely depends on when King Henri's expedition to Storkholm occurs before or after the resurrection of the world. Depending on your viewpoint of the cyclic process in the world perhaps Dark Gaia has knowledge of Storkholm from a previous existence or even obtains knowledge of it from "The Golden Child". Unfortunately "The Golden Child" himself at the Gaia Stone does not provide any real information to help find an answer to this question.

Looks like one heck of a can of worms has been opened here with lots of unanswered questions.

One final statement: If anyone is a part of other Terranigma boards direct them here so they can not only join this board bolstering the ranks, but also provide their insight on these issues, thanks.
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I *think* these philosophical thoughts deserve to be put on the Terranigma-section of the page...
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You may also want to add this note: If you inspect the grave the hero comes out of at Grave at Time's End, there will be some sort of message on it. It says something like "When light and shadow meet, he shall rise again..."
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...Emeth, if you're still around, you need to join us at GameFAQs, and we need you. XD The board is dying over there out of thirst for that kind of analysis - analysis we haven't seen in a long time, since our two "analysis diaries" died (I'm reviving mine soon, though). You'll be sure to get discussion, perhaps even argument from that crowd.

And please, you and I need to argue about Yomi ASAP. It'd be great if we could hold discourse over our (differing) views on Light Elle, the Arks, and Astarica, also, regardless of where.

And FINALLY. Someone agrees with me about the paintings.

Maybe this'll pique your interest.

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Naw, DarkMasterBozel, it wasn't official, as far as I can tell; it was an odd theory I concocted (can't believe that there are still people who remember it from about three months ago...), after someone made some inquiry about Queen Mary. It gained some credibility after I found that they (Henri, Wong, and Mary) were linked to Beruga. I theorized (blatant conjecture ahead) that Mary, after having lost her sons and being unable to have more children naturally, was confronted by Henri, Wong, and Beruga, who offered her a chance at having genetically related "children" through Beruga's genetic experimentation, in return for her allegiance. Then, there was something about the vaccine for Asmodeus going awry, leaving her and her "offspring" as the monstrosities that Ark encountered. The paintings are of Henri ("clear blue eyes" - caucasian), Wong ("oriental with impressive deep black pupils"), and Beruga ("eyes that burned with passion"). The last I was unable to place.

However, this is all mere conjecture on my part. ^_^

I wasn't the first to come up with this, was I? Is it that far-fetched? :S

The only thing concerning the lab assistant thing that leaves me unconvinced is that every other person in the painting is given a fairly prominent role in the game, whereas I can't even recall a mention of any lab assistant.

I'll have to play through that area (Sylvain Castle) again.


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Actually, I never really saw the link between Bloody Mary and anyone of DG's servants. In the castle's library is says Bloody Mary's children died on Columbus' expedition, right? That's why she tortured Columbus, not because he found the Hero's Gear. That's why she had gone crazy, not because of Asmodeus or something. Asmodeus just kills if I look at NeoTokio. I don't think she got offered anything.

This NPC in Liotto says something like "there's a dark spirit hanging over Silvain Castle". Note the word spirit. She died so confused and angry that her spirit darkened. And in death, she created those sick little girls.

This ofcourse, does not bring the answer to who the men on the paintings are, any closer -_-.
Maybe they're just there for the riddle?


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^^

Don't you think it would take someone quite insane to accept those children? I wasn't insinuating that Asmodeus had anything to do with her insanity; that came later - that's how she died (BTW, this comes with the whole idea of the world's resurrection not being a start anew, but a sort of continuation of the past).

The NPC is speaking of her, of course, and she is dead (or undead, depending on how you see it). I think that her "daughters" were given to her by Beruga (and they died, too, with the outbreak of the virus - perhaps the unsuccessful use of the vaccine has something to do with their odd state). Also, if there is some unnatural phenomenon outside the realm of knowledge, many will call it something supernatural.

Even disregarding Asmodeus, she and her daughters may have something to do with Beruga; I don't see any reason to rule that out. His genetic work certainly would be appealing to a woman losing her sanity over the loss of her children.

Of course, if the whole concept of residual memory from before the apocalypse is wrong, then this theory is wholly impossible, what with Beruga in some cryonic chamber or something...

The Japanese Wiki, if I recall, connects Mary with Henri, Wong, and Beruga, so it's not as far-fetched as I had once thought.

Mind, this is still "crackpot" conjecture. It just makes the threads of the story more interwoven.

The game seems to imply that the four men confronted her together, not separately; I doubt Columbus would have a fake eye anyway, being a navigator - quite disadvantageous to have only one eye in such a profession.


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But she didn't die of Asmodeus! She died of grief for her sons! It's in the King's diary in the library! Wink
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I realized that a little later! Jeez, stop yelling in this thread; we're all being proper here.

Yes, but as I've said, even disregarding that (since that part was implausible anyway), she could well have been associated with Beruga et al.

Check the Japanese Wiki. Perhaps I read wrong...
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And I swear, if you're DarkMasterBozel, I'll maul you for not putting this up on GameFAQs first.
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I forgot to add this, but regarding Elle, if she was completely useless or not able to fight, why would the Elder send her to kill Ark? Why would he send someone who had feelings for Ark, much less, someone less able to kill her own friend on that kind of a mission? That doesn't seem to make much sense unless Elle really had some special abilities, and she was the only person who could do it.

And how old do you think Ark is? He gets portrayed as a kid in a lot of artwork I see, but he's old enough to have a girlfriend, drink, and hang around in bars without being scooted out.
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I forgot to add this, but regarding Elle, if she was completely useless or not able to fight, why would the Elder send her to kill Ark? Why would he send someone who had feelings for Ark, much less, someone less able to kill her own friend on that kind of a mission? That doesn't seem to make much sense unless Elle really had some special abilities, and she was the only person who could do it.

And how old do you think Ark is? He gets portrayed as a kid in a lot of artwork I see, but he's old enough to have a girlfriend, drink, and hang around in bars without being scooted out.


Because she was devoted to the job, didn't know the baby was Ark, and would likely incapacitate Ark due to his feelings for her?

And as for Ark's age, assuming that those three years he spent under the care of that one woman in Lhasa were the only three years he was under after the resurrection of humans...

Well, Japan's drinking age is eighteen, so by the time he reaches Neotokio, he's at least eighteen. Cabarets are often twenty-one and over, as is the drinking age in the United States, so he's under twenty-one - the bartender in Freedom refuses to give him hard liquor.

As it is, if he aged like a normal human, he'd have started his journey at around fourteen, making his way across the world before the resurrection of man in about a year.

However, it's probably best to simply think of Ark as unaging and ageless. He certainly doesn't conform to human abilities and whatnot.
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Yeah, considering his incredible strength, he may not even be what one can call human. But I think he may age about the same. (Thence why I drew him a little older looking and with longer hair before he fights Dark Gaia.) By the time Neotokio is wiped out by Beruga, Ark is probably in his early 20s or so I'm guessing. Not too long before returning to the underworld or so. That's my guess anyway.
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Leave for a couple weeks and a discussion about how old Ark is breaks out.

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I am not really sure what I am supposed to do with the quoted text. To me personally it appears fairly obvious that Dark Gaia was in league with the 'Faces of Disharmony'. The order of events is a little unclear, I assume they are occurring before the resurrection of humanity due to Beruga's involvement, but the Queen of Sylvain was probably the last to join the group. After Columbus returned from the voyage in which the 3 Sylvain Princes died it is reasonable to assume that he was taken into immediate custody by the Queen's forces. If that is true, there is no indication that Columbus left the dungeon from the time he was taken into custody to Dark Ark freeing him, so Columbus already must have acquired the Hero's Arms and hid them.

If the above is true then Dark Gaia and its allies approached Queen of Sylvain with an offer. The Queen of Sylvain clearly is torturing Columbus out of revenge because of the death of her sons. Dark Gaia suggests a different motivation, uncovering the location of the Hero's Arms, Columbus alludes to this after rescue. In exchange for such a request Beruga will make new children for the Queen of Sylvain. Note that I do not believe that Beruga has the capability to revive life once it has died, he only appears to have the ability to create life, extend life and destroy life (Zombie Life, Genetic Engineering and Asmodeus Virus as a weapon). This belief is supported by the zombie-like nature of the Queen's supposed children because as far as the player knows the only life Bergua can create are those zombies in the nutrient baths in his lab.

Unfortunately these new children were not enough to sooth the anguish and pain in Queen of Sylvain's soul and she ended up still dying from grief, insanity or what have you possibly due to the bright 'killing' light. Side Note: From one of the soldier's diaries in Sylvain castle some of the Queen's soldiers were either involved in the slaughter at Storkholm or arrived soon after, probably made aware of its existence by King Henri.


I forgot to add this, but regarding Elle, if she was completely useless or not able to fight, why would the Elder send her to kill Ark? Why would he send someone who had feelings for Ark, much less, someone less able to kill her own friend on that kind of a mission? That doesn't seem to make much sense unless Elle really had some special abilities, and she was the only person who could do it.


I don't remember ever saying that Dark Elle was completely useless and not able to fight, I just recall saying that if she was actually created by Dark Gaia, I was unclear of the motivation for her making and that she was weaker than Dark Yomi. It does not appear that she helps Dark Gaia very much throughout the game.

Regarding why Dark Gaia sent Dark Elle, Dark Yomi reports that he was instructed by Dark Gaia to kill Dark Ark after Beruga's revival. However, Dark Yomi did not follow that order directly [See: What is the Deal with Yomi], so perhaps Dark Gaia feared that Dark Yomi had formed a significant enough relationship with Dark Ark that he/it might not kill him. The game basically tells us that Dark Yomi does care for Dark Ark on some level. There is no mention whether or not Dark Gaia knows about Dark Yomi's intentions to kill Dark Ark after he finds the Hero, but if Dark Elle was sent to the surface world to kill Ark Dark Yomi probably did not inform Dark Gaia.

As stated earlier I do not believe that Dark Gaia can directly influence anything on the surface world, but it seems to be able to recognize and identify events that transpire on the surface world. The Elder a.k.a. Dark Gaia communicates with Dark Ark on at least two separate occasions (after the revival of humans and when Beruga's robots kill him), so it clearly knows what is happening at certain times. I am not completely sure how it does this, it may be getting status reports from Dark Yomi, it may have some connection to the Crystal Blue that makes up Dark Ark's body or something else.

So functioning on the assumption that Dark Gaia has a reasonable idea of when events are occurring, it might be panicking, at least as much as it would, that Dark Yomi has not killed Dark Ark yet as Dark Ark is busy collecting Starstones. Whether or not Dark Gaia understands the significance of the Starstones is questionable. Dark Gaia does not appear to make the connection with Reborn Ark being "The Golden Child" and Dark Ark until the conflict at the Gaia Stone not in Crysta before and it might not ever really make the connection. This question really is not that relevant, just interesting, because from Dark Gaia's perspective a living Dark Ark at this point is bad regardless what he is doing.

Not being able to count on Dark Yomi's cooperation because Dark Yomi is not following the plan, Dark Gaia needs to send another agent to kill Dark Ark. Sending Dark Elle was the only real option, if anyone was going to be sent. Dark Elle has no reason to question the Elder and his orders, especially if the orders are in the defense of Crysta. The reason to send Dark Elle was that Dark Gaia and Dark Yomi both believed that Dark Ark would be unable to kill Dark Elle giving Dark Elle the advantage. Dark Ark would more than likely kill anyone else without question if it came down to a 'him vs. me' mentality.

Regarding Dark Elle's killing ability, the situation probably hinges on a single question and your personal answer to it. The question was alluded to above, how does Dark Gaia really know what is happening on the surface world? If Dark Gaia has some sort of connection to Dark Ark through his Crystal Blue or some other means it probably knows something really bad (for Dark Gaia) just happened when Reborn Ark is created at Antarctica [Crystal Blue structure or mass is changed because of the rebirth of the body - Ark is now just a baby].

Reading such a drop in existing Crystal Blue, Dark Gaia may have been comfortable sending Dark Elle because this new Dark Ark, or whatever it is in Dark Gaia's eyes, appears to be weaker and can now be killed by Dark Elle. If Dark Gaia is receiving other 'status reports' then it must send Dark Elle only because of the emotional connection and hope that is enough to give Dark Elle the advantage because no one else is available to kill Dark Ark. Remember Dark Gaia needs to do something and Dark Elle's death is meaningless to Dark Gaia, she, like everybody outside of Beruga, is just a pawn in the cosmic chess game. Look at it this way the best and worst thing that can happen for Dark Gaia if no one is sent is that Dark Ark is unobstructed and could very well defeat him. The worst thing if Dark Elle is sent is Dark Ark kills Dark Elle and continues unobstructed etc. The best thing if Dark Elle is sent is Dark Elle kills Dark Ark and Dark Gaia wins. So from a simple logic perspective it is better for Dark Gaia to send Dark Elle.

At least I have no other rational if this was indeed the situation. I once thought that Dark Gaia could send The Guardian if The Guardian was indeed an ally of Dark Gaia, but Ark might have advanced to the point where he would defeat The Guardian because he could fight without any emotional restriction, but there is no information to support or disprove this belief.

Overall from everything the game tells us, Dark Elle will kill Baby Reborn Ark, even acknowledging the baby as Ark right before the attempt, if Light Elle does not arrive. The intention to kill baby Ark is under the orders of the Elder with the guise of saving Crysta from a threat. Note: she does not realize that the threat is Ark until actually arriving, yet still plans to go through with it.

Although she later redeems herself, it appears she is willing to kill baby Ark, but not grown-up Ark. The reason for the switch is a mystery, but the shock of actually seeing Ark as Ark not just as a baby may have readjusted her loyalties from The Elder to Ark due to love or the realization that the Elder is not who she thought he was.

Heck, in closing the above analysis may reveal the reason Dark Gaia created Dark Elle. Dark Elle, if indeed created by Dark Gaia, was created as a contingency plan to foster an emotional connection with Dark Ark in order to eliminate Dark Ark if circumstances demanded it. Overall I am not sure how reasonable this statement is because there is no reason to suspect that Dark Gaia did not trust Dark Yomi to do its job of killing Dark Ark after reviving Beruga, but Dark Gaia may have created a system of redundancy due to the importance of its goal. So that is my possibly long-winded, but hopefully thorough answer to your question.


And how old do you think Ark is? He gets portrayed as a kid in a lot of artwork I see, but he's old enough to have a girlfriend, drink, and hang around in bars without being scooted out.


Overall I have no real idea and I am not sure there is any real way of knowing. However, I would guess that at the beginning of the game he is around 15-16 years of age. After the revival of the humans he sleeps for at least 3 years so now he is probably at least anywhere from 18-20. So he probably looks old enough that there is no reason to kick him out immediately. Also automobiles have not been created yet, so it is difficult to confirm or disprove the belief that people have ID cards, driver licenses, etc. Of course this entire question depends on your characterization of Crystal Blue. Does a being that is made from Crystal Blue age normally like any other creature or does it maintain its structure unless Dark Gaia acts upon it? Overall in the later stages of the game I would put his age at 19-21. With that said I guess it would be suitable to post this portion of the analysis although it is a little earlier than I planned.


How Long Does Dark Ark Actually Live During his Quest to Revive the World?

This is an interesting question, but I believe Dark Ark really does not live through different generations instead when the surface world was originally sealed all of the life forms currently existing entered a type of stasis, similar to those in Crysta when Pandora's Box was opened. When Dark Ark revived various elements of the world (Ra Tree, King Bird etc) the souls returned to the original entities before the surface world was sealed and those entities returned from stasis, if possible and if not those lingering souls reentered the reincarnation process.

The main advantage of this theory is the fact that Dark Ark is told that he was only asleep for approximately 3 years after the resurrection of humans, but the humans are at various stages of development, both biologically and technologically, not all children, forgoing a genuine reincarnation. In addition based on where Dark Ark wakes up in relation to where he was when he lost consciousness it is reasonable to conclude that very little time passed between his falling unconscious and his being found. If it had taken a long time to find him Dark Ark probably would have perished through some other means such as starvation or dehydration.

The main problem with this theory is that the world is completely barren not idle when Dark Ark passes through the portal, especially the lack of plants. The stasis seen in Crysta did not eliminate the physical structures of the citizens. So either the sealing of surface dwellers functions differently in some nuance or some different occurs altogether. I believe the former. The best way to reason this barrenness is that the plants instead of properly reincarnating instead became monsters possibly due to the statues of the Ra Tree [See: What is the Role of Ra Tree] or due to other elements. Once the Ra Tree became healthy again, proper reincarnation began again including destroyed monsters becoming plants.

Any question of Ark aging, or lack there of, could be answered because Dark Ark although may have free will and a soul [See: What Makes Dark Ark So Special], his physical manifestation is still harnessed by Dark Gaia, thus if the patterns do not change then there will be no aging. It is somewhat funny that if the stasis type explanation for the world is correct, outside of Beruga, the people of the world were kind of stupid. For instance Beruga understands genetic engineering, robotics and cryogenics where as the rest of population does not even know how to make a light bulb or wine.

Side Note: I did reference the phrase on the tombstones in Antarctica in "What Exactly are Starstones" middle of paragraph 4 to illustrate the cyclic commonality between the graves implying that they could be representative of the same entity.

Side Note #2: The time problem that I cited for most Astarica explanations can be solved if one assumes that the events seen represent the first Astarica cycle instead of the most recent one (something I initially assumed).
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PostAngelus-Mortis Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:04 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because she was devoted to the job, didn't know the baby was Ark, and would likely incapacitate Ark due to his feelings for her?


Then why did Elle keep hesitating? Could it be because she chouldn't bear killing a baby, or because that baby had some resemblance to Ark? Light Elle admits that baby Ark looks like Ark, and gave him the same name when she found him. If this was a problem, the Elder could have sent someone completely neutral to killing people, and would only do it because the Elder ordered him/her to do it. That would completely eliminate that problem.

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Well, Japan's drinking age is eighteen, so by the time he reaches Neotokio, he's at least eighteen. Cabarets are often twenty-one and over, as is the drinking age in the United States, so he's under twenty-one - the bartender in Freedom refuses to give him hard liquor.


I interpreted that to mean that they only served liquor there, and if he didn't like it, he would be free to leave. Not that he wouldn't give Ark any liquor. I suppose your interpretation could be correct, but the guy in the Winery in Loire openly gives Ark several bottles of liquor to sample his wine.

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Not being able to count on Dark Yomi's cooperation because Dark Yomi is not following the plan, Dark Gaia needs to send another agent to kill Dark Ark. Sending Dark Elle was the only real option, if anyone was going to be sent. Dark Elle has no reason to question the Elder and his orders, especially if the orders are in the defense of Crysta. The reason to send Dark Elle was that Dark Gaia and Dark Yomi both believed that Dark Ark would be unable to kill Dark Elle giving Dark Elle the advantage. Dark Ark would more than likely kill anyone else without question if it came down to a 'him vs. me' mentality.
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Dark Ark would only be incapacitated by not wanting to kill Elle if he was actually able to fight, and if he were, Elle would definitely recognize him, and since she did as in the actual events in the game, she decided not to kill him. So it's a bit of a paradox to send Dark Elle, which is why I ask this question.

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Reading such a drop in existing Crystal Blue, Dark Gaia may have been comfortable sending Dark Elle because this new Dark Ark, or whatever it is in Dark Gaia's eyes, appears to be weaker and can now be killed by Dark Elle. If Dark Gaia is receiving other 'status reports' then it must send Dark Elle only because of the emotional connection and hope that is enough to give Dark Elle the advantage because no one else is available to kill Dark Ark. Remember Dark Gaia needs to do something and Dark Elle's death is meaningless to Dark Gaia, she, like everybody outside of Beruga, is just a pawn in the cosmic chess game. Look at it this way the best and worst thing that can happen for Dark Gaia if no one is sent is that Dark Ark is unobstructed and could very well defeat him. The worst thing if Dark Elle is sent is Dark Ark kills Dark Elle and continues unobstructed etc. The best thing if Dark Elle is sent is Dark Elle kills Dark Ark and Dark Gaia wins. So from a simple logic perspective it is better for Dark Gaia to send Dark Elle.


I'm not entirely sure why you believe no one else in Crysta was unavailable to follow the Elder's orders, but if sending someone would increase the probability of Dark Gaia succeeding, wouldn't the probability be better for him to send someone who doesn't know Ark (or possibly despises Ark for ruining their weavings, teasing the chickens, causing trouble and mischief, etc.) to kill him if he was at all worried about Ark retaliating or seeing some resemblance in baby Ark and Ark, rather than sending Elle to kill Ark, which as I've explained, won't kill Ark, and Ark won't kill Elle either? If it were true that Elle was the only person in Crysta available for Dark Gaia to use, then perhaps Elle would be the only choice that Dark Gaia had, and your logic in this case would probably be true.

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At least I have no other rational if this was indeed the situation. I once thought that Dark Gaia could send The Guardian if The Guardian was indeed an ally of Dark Gaia, but Ark might have advanced to the point where he would defeat The Guardian because he could fight without any emotional restriction, but there is no information to support or disprove this belief.


The Guardian wouldn't be a bad choice though either. Perhaps he might not hesitate so much to kill baby Ark, and there's a high probability that he wouldn't let baby Ark grow into Ark and have to worry about fighting him, but Elle isn't much better since she won't kill Ark if he were able to fight. At the very least, choosing Elle is probably a little bit better because Ark won't kill Elle (but has no problems killing the Guardian, particularly if he knew that the Guardian was going to stop him), although pitting Elle against Ark at this point would be pointless since Elle refuses to oppose Ark.

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Although she later redeems herself, it appears she is willing to kill baby Ark, but not grown-up Ark. The reason for the switch is a mystery, but the shock of actually seeing Ark as Ark not just as a baby may have readjusted her loyalties from The Elder to Ark due to love or the realization that the Elder is not who she thought he was.


She also comes to a realization of how beautiful the surface world is, and it's probably also because she realizes that this is what Ark worked hard to achieve. She admits at the end that she wants Ark to survive until the end to save that world, and her last "gift" is by stopping Yomi. This is interesting though; by waiting until the real hero is born, Yomi believes that he would actually stop the real hero and not just Dark Ark because if it were just Dark Ark, there's still a possibility of Light Ark existing in some way, even if it's his soul. I suppose Dark Gaia did not realize this, which was probably what forced him to do what he did.

I just found the contrast in the artwork and people referring to him as "boy" and being allowed to drink and having a girlfriend interesting. If he was young enough, then certainly, people may consider him to be a boy, but if he was old enough, they'd let him have a drink. Although I did notice that the scientist who gives you a starstone describes Ark as an "older boy", perhaps because Ark is older by that time.
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