PM I got regarding "cyber bullying" on youtube

[gavdaman88]

I have one thing to say

[psychokind]

AlphaMan wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems to be the same in real life most of the time as well. But that is the fun of it! You get so many reasons why the other person has the viewpoint they hold. And when another argument comes around, you'll be prepared for those reasons to be used again.

I often convinced people in real life. If you do not have the time to think over your statement a long time befor saying it out loud (like in a forum) you can be verbally cornered and then have to admit that you are either out of arguments or still think you're right which degrades you to the state of an animal without a free mind

[NoZKeY]

AlphaMan wrote:

NoZKeY wrote: I think the same: there are those ones who only feel bad to get attention, and those who really are feeling bad. But, anyways, both of them would not suicide even when all is dark. There are friends and family, always, and even if there are not, that's not reason to come to suicide. "VV" wasn't saying that there are two kinds of people, he was saying that all people who would be willing to end their own lives are insensitive bastards. Hmm, I guess he hates everyone in the military then. Also, Until you've been in a situation where no one loves/cares about you, maybe you should kindly shut the fuck up.

I have been in that situation, i wasn't saying its a stupid thing to think about kill yourself, all people can come to think that someday, i also did. But anyways 'there was no reason' to think so, even when no one cares about you in a moment, you are alive and live is a really beautiful thing to have, when i understanded that, i become optimist and started been happy. And with some time i was able to find people who really cares about me. Dont misunderstand my words (even when my english sucks )

[Azure Phoenix]

suicide is a very unpredictable thing (i think that's the right way of saying it) as whether it is right or wrong is impossible to determine, the choice is made by the individual and is therefore down to him/her, no one can be seen as "inconsiderate" as everyone has their right to the decision to help the person in question or not, a lot of things could happen should you decide to help, you can say the wrong thing accidently, make the person feel guilty for getting you involved thereby adding to the problem, on top of this no one can truly determine the mindset of the suicidal person no matter who you are or what you have been through, at least in most cases.

Within this arguement no one is truly right or wrong as there is no such thing AS right or wrong, also the depressed don't always (if they change at all) become suicidal, sometimes they become the "assholes" who attempt to bother you on the net, only the weak minded fall to insults from people like them, i have spent 13 out of the 16 years of my life being pursued with insults, over those years i adapted, now i lead a carefree life (within reason) as i am no longer bothered by fear sadness anger or (as a downside) happiness most of the time, the person who PMed VV was wrong, she is not soulless, in the very least i qualify for that title.

- I do not want sympathy or friendship from this message, i simply wish to contribute to this arguement -

btw can you stop calling them "emos" you make them seem like a completely different type of person,

dying in a war is not dying for a cause if you don't truly believe that it is justifiable in which case you are approving of the death of many people, i in fact do approve of this as the closer we as a race are to being wiped off the face of the earth the better it will be for every other creature on earth and nature itself as we seem to be destroying it bit by bit.

also speaking from experience and speaking without is no different, unless the person with experience has experienced the lives of the billions of depressed people on the planet which NONE OF US HAVE, if you have then congratulations, you are god, the sole being who ruined his own creation by creating humanity and letting it drift in it's own direction.

I do not believe that suicide is cowardice, nor is it bravery, the choice to end your life is down to you, sure greif is passed on to relatives etc. but that has become a natural instinct for a deluded mind, the world works the way it does, we have no say in it's works, we only have a say in how we work as individuals.

i hope this has made at least a slight impression upon all those viewing this thread, i apologise if this message is disorganised i generally typed this as it came into my head (never was good at English [the subject, not the Language]) and if you have a very serious point to bring to my attention PM me about it as the times of which i'll be on this site are unpredictable.

as a final point i ask this; can any of you truly say that you have "helped" someone by preventing them from commiting suicide as doing so may allow more suffering to take place.

[Blade]

This discussion is WAY too personal to get an honest answer from me, but your points of view are interesting, Arashi! ...although I don't share tem.

[Hammerit]

Freedan, the Dark Knight wrote:

It doesn't matter how bad things may seem to get; even if you hit rock bottom, it's all uphill from there. But not if you're dead.

Well but once you're six feet under there isn't any more ground for you to lose either .

AlphaMan wrote:

But that is the fun of it! You get so many reasons why the other person has the viewpoint they hold. And when another argument comes around, you'll be prepared for those reasons to be used again.

Well if it actually is their own viewpoint. Since most people especially over the net seem to only quote others opinions as they appear to be either too dumb or too insecure to have and hold their own.

[psychokind]

Hammerit wrote:

Since most people especially over the net seem to only quote others opinions as they appear to be either too dumb or too insecure to have and hold their own.

that's my opinion too

[Azure Phoenix]

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Well if it actually is their own viewpoint. Since most people especially over the net seem to only quote others opinions as they appear to be either too dumb or too insecure to have and hold their own.

can i just state that anything in my post is regarding stuff not on the internet but mainly the idea of suicide itself (i think ) ecen so i do hope that hammerit doesn't include me in that idea, i'm not taking offense but i do prefer ppl to properly understand where i'm coming from.

[Hammerit]

Arashi wrote:

can i just state that anything in my post is regarding stuff not on the internet but mainly the idea of suicide itself (i think ) ecen so i do hope that hammerit doesn't include me in that idea, i'm not taking offense but i do prefer ppl to properly understand where i'm coming from.

Nah didn't refer to you at all, but to the words AlphaMan had said a page ago.