Old Enough To Die, Old Enough To Drink?

SoulBlazerFan · Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:44 am

I had this conversation earlier with some people, so I thought I'd bring it here;

In America, you can join the Army at age 18, 17 if you're out of high school. You are not legally able to purchase or consume alcohol until the age of 21.

Someone said that "Kids are too stupid at 18, that's why they shouldn't be allowed alcohol, and that's why they go into the services."

While I don't necessarily agree with that statement, it does bring up an interesting point;

If you're old enough to kill (And die) for your country, should you not also be old enough to purchase alcohol?

Discuss.

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:20 am Post subject:

I agree with the Dropkick Murphy's on this subject:

"Every working man should have the right to come home and have a cold beer to relax."

I'd say, make it one flat line for everything an be done with it. Don't hold a double-standard. Besides which cigarettes are FAR more dangerous that alcohol, so why are we withholding it from young-ish people. Will they really be that much more mature in three years?

thefencemaster · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:54 am Post subject:

My understanding on the matter is that it was more of a brain developing issue than a maturity issue. Not entirely sure about that but I thats just what I remember from I think it was a psychology class.

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:11 am Post subject:

Sure. Who are you gonna trust? Experts? Pfft.

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:18 am Post subject:

thefencemaster wrote:My understanding on the matter is that it was more of a brain developing issue than a maturity issue. Not entirely sure about that but I thats just what I remember from I think it was a psychology class.

Brain development is slowing at the age of 17-18, and it stops somewhere in the mid 20's, if I remember anything from psychology. So with that argument, even with the legal drinking age at 21, we're still messing with our minds and their growth. :/

My own thoughts on the matter: I don't know why the government hasn't lowered it. Kids will still drink illegally, no matter what the government does to try and stop it, and they're technically adults at 18. That's what society says. So, if they're adults and they're "mature and responsible adults" that can buy cigarettes, why not alcohol too? If the government is THAT worried about the underage drinking, and they lower the age? Make a cap on it: for 19-21, those who are between the ages of 19 and 21 can only buy so much alcohol (so they can't binge drink and be stupid). Yes, there are loopholes in that, but there are also loopholes in the system we have now (such as 21 and over friends buying you booze) so we can't win ANYWAY.

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:21 am Post subject:

Iono about the other states, but in Virginia, cops won't mess with underage kids drinking in their own homes. I know cause the cops came to my place and saw a whole lotta liquor and didn't say anything to the two underage roomates I have. Their exact words?

"It's your house, so I'm not gonna bother with it."

psychokind · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:51 am Post subject:

beer at 16 in germany, that's ok I think. we normally start from 13-15, which is also alright. it's not about the age! in earlier times, on the farms of my grandparents, people started drinking at the age of 7. you had the choice after field work: cider or water. and cider is sweet

important is HOW MUCH you drink, not when you start.

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:41 pm Post subject:

Course two shots of vodka will do very different things to a seven year old and a seventeen year old.

psychokind · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject:

Jason Tandro wrote:Course two shots of vodka will do very different things to a seven year old and a seventeen year old.

important is HOW MUCH you drink, not when you start.

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I know. I was agreeing with you.

psychokind · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject:

ah, sorry

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject:

I've (sadly) been around a young one (like 12) when I was drunk at the party last week. All I remember was him continually trying to push me back in the pool. I was so drunk I apparently got really pissed and tried to snatch him from inside the pool like an aggitated crocodile (of course my reflexes were shot, so I kept missing).

And even more sad I've seen that kid drunk... but he usually gets really wound up for about 15 minutes and then falls asleep.

[Edit: I just want to clarify that neither of these were my idea or of my own valition, I just happened to be there at the time... he's one of my close friends's younger brother.]

Freedan · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject:

I've always thought the minimum drinking age made no sense.

You're considered an adult in every other way. Hell, you can even vote for who will lead your country for the next 4 years. But beer? Not until you're old enough.

Makes no sense to me.

Jason Tandro · Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject:

And the funny thing about that is if you picked a loser, you won't be able to drink about it for another 3 years.

EverPhoenix · Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:29 am Post subject:

Jason Tandro wrote:And the funny thing about that is if you picked a loser, you won't be able to drink about it for another 3 years.

harsh country, isnt it?

i think australia has the right idea, 18 is the age for everything except driving, which is at 16.

so soon as youre old enough to vote, sign up for the army, youre also legal to pollute your body with either cigarettes or alcohol. or both.

funny that 18 is the age at which you can also be prosecuted to the full extent of our stupid legal system. but the reason why i think its stupid isnt related to this debate, so next time.