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Now, I'm not doubting that the film isn't going to be worked on. I'm doubting it will happen by 2015. The director already stated they were working on an iteration of a Man of Steel sequel, which when I heard the idea surrounding it, it peaked my interest. They were discussing a world where Superman isn't accepted or trusted, where he is moreso fighting the court of public opinion than some supervillain, although it's doubtful there will be any less action than the previous film.
That said, I might feel there will be some contention in here between the studio and the directors/writers. Was this the plan all along? Or is DC trying to steal some of that sweet Marvel thunder?
My debate is... can this movie work? As we've seen, DC has had a hard time even establishing long-running franchises. The original Superman film series... 1 and 2 were good (Even with turning the world backwards and memory-erasing kisses) and 3 and 4 are, largely steaming piles of horse dookie. Superman Returns was a let down.
Batman and Batman Returns were good films that complimented each other. Hell, I'll even give Batman Forever credit, I still love that movie. Then Batman and Robin... I don't even need to go there.
The new Nolan Batman Trilogy is a point of contention. I will say it now- I did not like what they did in Rises. The first two films are terrific as far as I'm concerned, with The Dark Knight possibly in my list as one of the best movies of all time. I felt that, largely, Rises was a wasted opportunity that never fully lived up to its potential and had several fatal flaws, including bad "shocking" reveals and logic that simply didn't work... but that is my opinion and a debate for another day.
A page on facebook posted this, and I replied, it's long so I'll throw a tl;dr for it (as I may have to at the end of this post as well)
tl;dr: Film will probably be terrible, Batman and Superman make no sense being in a film together, like other team up movies high concept low delivery.I think the Batman/Superman film will probably be a tragic, brainless mess...not created because there is a good script, but rather forced into being because it'll sell tickets opening weekend. Think about it...what could Batman have done to aide Superman to defeat Zod and his regime of Kryptonians and his Planetizer contraption? Pretty much nothing. What villain in the 'realistic Batman' universe of Nolan's would've posed any threat to Superman? None. Unlike the Marvel universe, if the two heroes were to butt heads, it wouldn't be a stalemate or power struggle. We've got an indestructible alien capable of holding up falling oil rigs and whose story was centered around the super amazing feats of strength he could achieve versus a masked vigilante who was very mortal and whose story was all rooted in emotional thematics and moral quandaries of the human condition. As much as I want this to work, I bet it'll be about as good as the long anticipated Alien vs Predator, or Freddy vs Jason...so much fun to conceptualize in theory, but so poorly executed that they are instantly forgettable. I'm calling it now, though I hope I'm wrong.
And here is my response:
tl;dr: I disagreed, the film could work, but I concede that since Bale likely won't be back it would be another original story for Batman to set him up in this new universe.I have to disagree, mostly since it's been pretty much established that they won't be using the current "known" iteration of Batman, aka Christan Bale. If they don't use Bale or don't carry over "Robin" Blake, we'll likely have to sit through another origin story for Batman. Perhaps we'll see the birth of a different Batman that would fit in with the "Man of Steel universe." It could work, as many of the Batman/Superman crossovers have in comics (and even animated films), maybe they are mistrusting of one another, similar to the animated series "Batman and Superman Movie" they did many years back. Or maybe, like they said, it will be closer to parts of "The Dark Knight Returns," where Superman is being used by the government to take Batman out, and instead of fighting they end up teaming up and working together to take down a bigger threat. They never established who the president of the US was, so maybe it will be President Luthor? It's all speculation at this point, and hell, it might not even happen. Remember when "Superman Lives" starring Nic Cage, directed by Tim Burton, written by Kevin Smith, was a sure thing? Stages were built, there's even pics of Cage looking high as hell in the really crappy looking Superman suit. I say for the time being... I'll believe it when I see it. Also, I apologize the super long post XD
He also mentions how bad Alien VS Predator was, as well as Freddy VS Jason. While I can't defend AVP, FVSJ is a different beast all together. None of those films, except maybe Nightmare 1, is a good film by any means, so I didn't except FVSJ to be a masterpiece, and in the context of the other films in the respective franchises I think it ranks higher than films like Nightmare 5 or Jason Goes to Hell.
AVP failed because you have a sort of... high brow film in Alien, and action film in Aliens, and two pretty bad sequels, whereas Predator 1 was a Arnold Schwarzenegger vehicle, and that sequel was a mess, it wasn't very hard to see that film failing, and it's own sequel failing even worse.
Back to the original post... the idea of of a Batman Superman film isn't new, and has been tried in the past. With DC not having the same benchmarks as Marvel like a pre-established universe, several extremely successful movies all linked together, this will be a difficult sale. We already a reboot of Superman from 2006, but a three year gap before introducing a new Batman, especially one so well received by fans? I'm starting to question it, but I hope DC decides to wrangle in Bale and Nolan again and do this film right. While I do still think Rises wasn't up to snuff, I think Bale was finally getting Batman right... even if Batman was only in a Batman film for less than thirty minutes.
What are your feelings on this announcement? Any other things at comic con strike you? Discuss.
(On a final note, while I was writing this I was trying to spell Arnold Schwarzenegger's name, and wouldn't you believe it's a word that can be auto-corrected? I used auto-correct and his name, properly spelled, comes up. I don't know about you, but that is simply just weird to me)
EDIT: Also, for anyone who didn't skip my quote, here is the pic of Nicolas Cage as Superman for the never made "Superman Lives" film.
